Poll Did You Watch "These Are the Voyages" When It Originally Aired?

[Anna Yolei]

I did and with the exception of the Voltron reboot finale on Netflix, I've never regretted the viewing of any episode of TV more.

But there was a lot of comedic value to be found on this board for weeks afterwards, lemme tell you

 

[Noname Given]

I did - hated it then, and still hate it today.

many abbreviate the title as TATV - for me that translates to: "This Ain't The Valentine".

 

[Oddish]

Or This Appalling, Trashy Video

 

[tomalak301]

I was mad at the show after Season 3 (At the time) that I didn't watch Season 4 as it originally aired (Probably unthinkable now). I actually came back during In a Mirror Darkly and then watched to the end, which included These Are the Voyages. I didn't have the "strong" negative reaction to the episode as most people had. Then I went back and watched Season 4 as a whole and regretted passing it because the Vulcan Arc made Season 4 worth it.

 

[Mudd]

No.

 

[DonIago]

Yes. The one and only time I've watched it.

 

[Timofnine]

I watched it a day or two before everyone in America.

 

[tomalak301]

I watched it a day or two before everyone in America.

Did you get what America got, which was Terra Prime and These Are the Voyages airing on the same night?

 

[thribs]

I watched it a day or two before everyone in America.

I watched the Stargate finale 3 months before America.

 

[Timofnine]

Did you get what America got, which was Terra Prime and These Are the Voyages airing on the same night?

I got These are the Voyages first then Terra Prime. So to me, Terra Prime will always be the Enterprise Finale. This is why I do not get all the hate for TATV.

Perhaps Terra Prime was always supposed to be a season finale, but when Enterprise got cancelled they had to do an extra episode to wrap everything up.

Discovery may have to do this too. William Shatner could be the narrating Chef at long last???

 

[Admiral Archer]

The only thing I remember about viewing this episode live, was thinking when it was over, "This is it. It's over. Star Trek is dead."

Keep in mind I was a super moody and melodramatic 16 year old, and Hollywood reboots were a relatively new thing to me, with Batman Begins being the only one I was consciously aware of at the time. I had already had a fun sort of mental exercise with my dad about the potential fan-casting for a TOS reboot (which I will post below) but I knew the 'modern' era of Star Trek, the 18 year run of nonstop Trek material, was finished. It broke my young trekkie heart. And no I didn't hate the episode, because to me it wasn't a finale to Enterprise, but to ALL of Star Trek up until that point. Hence why the inclusion of the TNG characters and the holodeck made sense; TNG began that era of Trek, TNG should have been present at the end. The only thing I objected to was Trip's death, which still didn't make me as angry as Data's death.

For those who are interested, my budget-busting all-star rebooted cast of TOS was this, circa 2005 or 2006:

Johnny Depp as Spock
Gary Oldman as Bones
Ewan McGregor as Scotty
Jet Li as Sulu
Halle Berry as Uhura

Kirk and Chekov would have been unknowns, because they are the ones I had the most difficulty picturing anyone else playing them.

 

[Therin of Andor]

... The previous episode was a more poignant series finale. The framing around The Pegasus was awkward. The attempt to make Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis look younger and have it be like the good ol' days of 90's TNG was cringe. I applaud the actors for being real troopers, but the whole thing was ill-conceived. The only bits I liked were Brent Spiner reprising Data as a voice only cameo, and the recitation of the "These are the voyages" monologue with Picard, Kirk, and Archer at the end.

Agreed. As a Shran fan, I loved that he now had a half-Aenar daughter, but Shran had became a jewel thief? (Mind you, his outfit looked great!)

Mostly, I enjoyed it, but...

Although I can understand why they didn't create the USS Titan model, and set the episode's arc as Riker being concerned about taking on the new ship and captaincy, rather than wanting to learn about leadership by revisiting the ad breaks between acts of "The Pegasus", there was a huge missed opportunity to make the ENT finale way more compelling. Glossing over Riker and Troi's physical changes could have been made irrelevant, too.

And leaving Trip dead (supposedly he would have been revived in a Season Five) was unforgiveable.

 

[ED-209]

Yes, and I actually enjoyed it too. Gutted we didn't get Archers speech though.

 

[Oddish]

Agreed. As a Shran fan, I loved that he now had a half-Aenar daughter, but Shran had became a jewel thief? (Mind you, his outfit looked great!)

Didn't think about that, but you're right. Shran was supposedly Archer's opposite number, and I wouldn't have seen him turning to something as dishonorable as larceny.

Although I can understand why they didn't create the USS Titan model, and set the episode's arc as Riker being concerned about taking on the new ship and captaincy,

They could have set it just before he took his own ship, though. Jonathan Frakes (53 at the time) would have passed better for mid 40's* than for mid 30's.

And leaving Trip dead (supposedly he would have been revived in a Season Five) was unforgiveable.

It's possible that if ENT had been renewed, the accident wouldn't have happened. That and Shran would have been a regular character (ENT's equivalent of Seven), and Elizabeth was supposedly going to survive.


*Retconning Riker's age was dumb anyway. Jonathan Frakes was 34 when TNG began, which would have given Riker 12 years of service assuming he was the same age; very appropriate for a Starfleet commander who was offered his own ship. Then, somewhere along the way they subtracted five years from his age.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Agreed. As a Shran fan, I loved that he now had a half-Aenar daughter, but Shran had became a jewel thief? (Mind you, his outfit looked great!)

Mostly, I enjoyed it, but...

Although I can understand why they didn't create the USS Titan model, and set the episode's arc as Riker being concerned about taking on the new ship and captaincy, rather than wanting to learn about leadership by revisiting the ad breaks between acts of "The Pegasus", there was a huge missed opportunity to make the ENT finale way more compelling. Glossing over Riker and Troi's physical changes could have been made irrelevant, too.

And leaving Trip dead (supposedly he would have been revived in a Season Five) was unforgiveable.

Right, I didn't like how they made Shran a criminal, and they killed off Trip, who had a pretty compelling character arc over the course of four years.

 

[Dee1891]

The most controversial episode of ENT--do you admit to watching it when it originally aired (on UPN in the US)?

Yeah, I watched it. And regretted watching it ever since.

 

[New Kid 99]

Yes. I watched as much of the series as I could when it aired. I've watched the entire series on DVD and again on Netflix. Still one of my favorite Treks.

I had issues with the finale, but I think it was overly panned.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Never did understand all the hate. I'll admit that I find entire seasons dominated by full-season story arcs annoying in Star Trek (long arcs dominating all else work much better in B5). But I don't find ENT as a whole, or the series finale, particularly annoying, and I don't find the Xindi Arc any more annoying than the Dominion Arc, the Mirror Lorca Arc, the Control/Red Angel Arc, or the Zhat Vash Arc.

And unlike DSC and PIC, ENT did not, so far as I recall, invoke the "Eye Scream" trope.

 

[valkyrie013]

watched it once, the day of, never came back, on every rewatch, I skip it, It doesn't exist to me.

 

[tomalak301]

watched it once, the day of, never came back, on every rewatch, I skip it, It doesn't exist to me.

Terra Prime felt like the true series finale anyway. TATV feels more like an epilogue.