How would you change the show?

[Bry_Sinclair]

I'd have loved it if Voyager was a little more like FarScape, as in its an array of different alien characters from different places, forced together through circumstances on an alien ship, as they try to get back to their respective homes with no real idea how or just who can be trusted.

You then could've had a human Starfleet officer (likely Janeway) stepping up and taking charge, then there could've been (for example) a Romulan science officer, Ferengi helmsman, Vorta engineer, Talaxian combat medic, and so on. They could then pick up potential new additions along the way or have a number of stasis chambers filled with other characters, should things need to be shaken up at some point.

 

[Anwar]

Regarding the drds, it was mentioned in season 1 that drds were built as the Leviathan grows. Since they were built by Moya, they probably got a recharge by Moya herself, in a similar fashion as a mother breastfeeding a baby. She was a living ship, after all.

And how is Moya herself fed, exactly? They never explain it.

Regarding the ammo count on BSG, that was the better route... don't put a number on it if you are highly likely to contradict it later or not address it, like VOYAGER what did.

Agreed.

"LIVING WITNESS" was always well received, from its initial airing to today. I am not sure if the same is true for "THE VOID" at the time of airing, but I do know that for many, many years, it was well received.

At the time it came out, all that anyone said about it was the "Doctor can't be backed up" thing. The great story, the fun parts about the Warship Voyager, the great acting from Picardo, the sadness of the back-up Doctor, none of that resonated with ANYONE when it first came out.

I'd have loved it if Voyager was a little more like FarScape, as in its an array of different alien characters from different places, forced together through circumstances on an alien ship, as they try to get back to their respective homes with no real idea how or just who can be trusted.

You then could've had a human Starfleet officer (likely Janeway) stepping up and taking charge, then there could've been (for example) a Romulan science officer, Ferengi helmsman, Vorta engineer, Talaxian combat medic, and so on. They could then pick up potential new additions along the way or have a number of stasis chambers filled with other characters, should things need to be shaken up at some point.

Yes, exactly. Voyager shouldn't have been a Fleet ship, it should've been a microcosm of the Alpha Quadrant as a whole. Then the lasting tensions would've made sense even all the way to the end.

 

[Oddish]

Arguably, Voyager should have picked up a few alien crew as she rolled along.

 

[Silvercrest]

At the time it came out, all that anyone said about it was the "Doctor can't be backed up" thing. The great story, the fun parts about the Warship Voyager, the great acting from Picardo, the sadness of the back-up Doctor, none of that resonated with ANYONE when it first came out.

When you claim what resonated with "ANYONE", or when you bemoan how "the audience" reacted, in post after post after post? That's all unsupported. You can't prop up an unprovable argument by claiming to speak for the entire viewing audience. There are people right here, part of that audience, who disagree and who had a different experience. And somehow they don't count.

 

[Farscape One]

At the time it came out, all that anyone said about it was the "Doctor can't be backed up" thing. The great story, the fun parts about the Warship Voyager, the great acting from Picardo, the sadness of the back-up Doctor, none of that resonated with ANYONE when it first came out.

Do you have any evidence to back up these claims? Because you keep saying multiple times that all that everyone did about "LIVING WITNESS" was complain. Prove it.

I have listed on multiple posts in response to yours concrete examples of my points... character, episode names, etc. I have yet to see one example you list to state your case.

If you can't, let's just agree to disagree (which I was perfectly fine with until you quoted one of my posts from almost three weeks ago) because we just keep going in circles.

In fact, screw it. I don't care. I'm going to just agree to disagree because this is just ridiculous.

 

[Anwar]

When you claim what resonated with "ANYONE", or when you bemoan how "the audience" reacted, in post after post after post? That's all unsupported. You can't prop up an unprovable argument by claiming to speak for the entire viewing audience. There are people right here, part of that audience, who disagree and who had a different experience. And somehow they don't count.

Go back to around 2006 or 2007, this place was a hotbed for nothing but complaints about the show and how NuBSG was "everything Voyager should have been" and how you were mocked for enjoying anything. Once NuBSG crashed and burned that thankfully receded a bit and haters finally started realizing "Okay, maybe the show wasn't that bad and there were inherent problems that we didn't want to acknowledge before..."

Where were these supporters then?

Friggin Shades of Grey and Code of Honor got more respect than any Voyager episode did until after NuBSG fell apart.

 

[Silvercrest]

Fine. But don't say "anyone" and don't generalize the feelings of "the audience." I was there. I was part of that audience. You don't speak for me.

If by "the audience", you mean "the posters in the VOY forum", then say that. (And good luck.)

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Arguably, Voyager should have picked up a few alien crew as she rolled along.

Maybe she did!

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Arguably, Voyager should have picked up a few alien crew as she rolled along.

Can never have too many aliens!

 

[Oddish]

Maybe she did!

Maybe they were like the Kataanians and Aldeans and just looked totally human...

 

[Dodd]

Focus on the ensemble. Less romance. Longer arcs

 

[fireproof78]

I'd have loved it if Voyager was a little more like FarScape, as in its an array of different alien characters from different places, forced together through circumstances on an alien ship, as they try to get back to their respective homes with no real idea how or just who can be trusted.

You then could've had a human Starfleet officer (likely Janeway) stepping up and taking charge, then there could've been (for example) a Romulan science officer, Ferengi helmsman, Vorta engineer, Talaxian combat medic, and so on. They could then pick up potential new additions along the way or have a number of stasis chambers filled with other characters, should things need to be shaken up at some point.

I always loved Farscape way more than the Star Trek of the same era. It was way more dynamic and interesting because people had different backgrounds and their trust between each other was tenuous. Even if Voyager was a Starfleet ship, the trust between the crew should have been more tenuous, either because of distrust of the captain from the Maquis, anger at being stranded far from home from other Starfleet officers, or bringing on allies and not trusting them.

 

[Anwar]

I always loved Farscape way more than the Star Trek of the same era. It was way more dynamic and interesting because people had different backgrounds and their trust between each other was tenuous. Even if Voyager was a Starfleet ship, the trust between the crew should have been more tenuous, either because of distrust of the captain from the Maquis, anger at being stranded far from home from other Starfleet officers, or bringing on allies and not trusting them.

It's easy to do that tension when the ship doesn't need a crew, they don't need to work together in the first place and there's only 5 or so people onboard at the same time.

When dealing with over 100 people who DO need each other, it becomes unwieldy.

 

[fireproof78]

It's easy to do that tension when the ship doesn't need a crew, they don't need to work together in the first place and there's only 5 or so people onboard at the same time.

When dealing with over 100 people who DO need each other, it becomes unwieldy.

Well, yes, but that's why writers get paid to make these things work.

 

[Dee1891]

I always loved Farscape way more than the Star Trek of the same era. It was way more dynamic and interesting because people had different backgrounds and their trust between each other was tenuous. Even if Voyager was a Starfleet ship, the trust between the crew should have been more tenuous, either because of distrust of the captain from the Maquis, anger at being stranded far from home from other Starfleet officers, or bringing on allies and not trusting them.

Voyager was a Starfleet ship. Are you criticizing Voyager for the "lack" of strain between people of different backgrounds or the entire Trek franchise? And the crew was expected to experience constant strain for seven seasons? While trying to survive the Kazon and other aliens? I just cannot see that scenario lasting so long. Even after a season. And that strain was apparent during the first season.

 

[fireproof78]

Voyager was a Starfleet ship. Are you criticizing Voyager for the "lack" of strain between people of different backgrounds or the entire Trek franchise?

Not everyone was Starfleet. It can have strain and still reflect the ideals of the franchise. Red vs. Blue did it better.

 

[Anwar]

Not everyone was Starfleet. It can have strain and still reflect the ideals of the franchise. Red vs. Blue did it better.

It wouldn't have made sense to have the Maquis/Fleeter differences last 7 years.

Look at DS9, did Sisko have any major conflicts with Kira and Odo past Season 1? No he did not.

 

[fireproof78]

It wouldn't have made sense to have the Maquis/Fleeter differences last 7 years.

That's not what I'm arguing so this misses the point by a wide margin.

 

[Anwar]

Look, how long was the Fleeter/Maquis thing SUPPOSED to last? The entire run of the series is just ridiculous.

Eventually it had to 100% end. Just like Sisko's conflict with Kira and Odo.

Heck, let's look at modern stuff. How long did Gamora and Nebula's conflict with each other last in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies?

 

[Soong-type Android]

I'd have loved it if Voyager was a little more like FarScape, as in its an array of different alien characters from different places, forced together through circumstances on an alien ship, as they try to get back to their respective homes with no real idea how or just who can be trusted.

You then could've had a human Starfleet officer (likely Janeway) stepping up and taking charge, then there could've been (for example) a Romulan science officer, Ferengi helmsman, Vorta engineer, Talaxian combat medic, and so on. They could then pick up potential new additions along the way or have a number of stasis chambers filled with other characters, should things need to be shaken up at some point.

Voyager would certainly have been more interesting if a Starfleet crew was forced to merge to a Romulan crew and others. It couldn't be run purely as a Starfleet ship and it would mean traditional adversaries having to work to together and learn to trust each other over time. It would also mean the writers would be forced to come up with more interesting plots rather than just lazily recycling TNG ones.