Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[drt]

My other issue is - given said refit adds a secondary hull to the original design; why is the crew compliment still at 83? You think with all the added internal volume and systems, they'd up the crew compliment a bit.

I don't think the deck count is correct for the refit, either.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, 7 decks is the base design.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Sure. But the fact he's showing it off at a time that we know we're going to see the actual fleet museum.... if I were a betting man, I'd put more then a few bills on seeing a refit NX-01. Hell, we already saw a model of one last season. The design is canon.

Given what we have seen so far in terms of the lust to canonise obscure sections if the franchise I reckon it will definitely happen.

God help us if we ever again get an actual new not connected to memberberries design.

 

[NCC-73515]

Doug also posted "Just wait!", and an early review weeks ago mentioned that we're gonna see some of the ships in the museum.

 

[fireproof78]

God help us if we ever again get an actual new not connected to memberberries design.

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

 

[DaveyNY]

My other issue is - given said refit adds a secondary hull to the original design; why is the crew compliment still at 83? You think with all the added internal volume and systems, they'd up the crew compliment a bit.

According to stuff I've read elsewhere, the NX Enterprise became a testbed for the newest advancements in WARP technology of the time.
It retained its original WARP 5 engine in the pod between the nacelles (in case of an emergency), while a newer WARP 6 system was installed in the smaller secondary hull.

The crew compliment didn't increase because most of the lower hull was filled with the new tech as well as Star Fleet not wanting to risk more crew lives if things went badly.
They also eventually found that the newer WARP drive needed less of a crew compliment to maintain.

This ship was intended to be the precursor to the Constitution Class and was used to develop and design all the systems needed for that class to be approved and eventually built.
(though it would take decades to get there)

If I am remembering correctly, this was all stuff that Doug Drexler included in his initial release of the ship schematics years ago.
It was intended to be included in the fifth season of ENTERPRISE that we never got.

 

[Tuskin38]

It was intended to be included in the fifth season of ENTERPRISE that we never got.

It wasn't. Doug said he pitched the idea, but the show was cancelled before he ever got any word back.

He also didn't design the refit until after the show ended. So even if we had gotten a refit, it might not have even looked exactly like the design we got.

It retained its original WARP 5 engine in the pod between the nacelles (in case of an emergency), while a newer WARP 6 system was installed in the smaller secondary hull.

The original engineering isn't in the pod between the nacelles, it's in the main hull. The pod is the warp governor. And yeah in Doug's version of the Refit, the new warp 6 engine hull can be completely ejected in the case of an emergency.


Side note, in the novel'verse they didn't go with Doug's idea with keeping the original engineering, and that area was turned into more crew quarters.

 

[Tuskin38]

Do rooms on the ship count as part of ship design?
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1632065543204384768

When designing the Titan's Transporter Room, my goal was for folks not to notice it. I didn't want folks to say WOW, how cool. It's just another Transporter room like they have seen before. It should look and feel exactly like a natural evolution of the TNG Era. #StarTrekPicard

Also, region locked video on the titan

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[F. King Daniel]

Do rooms on the ship count as part of ship design?
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1632065543204384768

Looks like a generic 24th century transporter on a tight budget. Not a patch on the Strange New Worlds transporter, or the old Shenzhou one.

 

[Tuskin38]

Looks like a generic 24th century transporter on a tight budget. Not a patch on the Strange New Worlds transporter, or the old Shenzhou one.

I mean you read Dave's quote that I included, that was the entire point.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I mean you read Dave's quote that I included, that was the entire point.

Well I guess it achieved it's goal

 

[cooleddie74]

It's a shinier, more metallic TNG transporter room with a heads-up display at the console. Which works well enough for me. I'm more impressed by the transporter chamber's more TOS feel than anything else.

 

[David cgc]

The transporter room is a little spare, but I understand the impulse considering how over-designed and busy many sets have been in Streaming Trek.

 

[Tuskin38]

Hm, Doug Drexler's final concept model for the Eleos has escape pods, but the final show model doesn't.

 

[Blip]

The transporter room is a little spare, but I understand the impulse considering how over-designed and busy many sets have been in Streaming Trek.

Now they just need to get over the obsessive-compulsive urge to cover every vertical surface with led strips and spotlights that shine directly in your face, and instead re-learn to light spaces properly. I can't see sh** on the Titan or Stargazer bridges, apart from those bloody LED strips and the LCARS

 

[Gepard]

Hm, Doug Drexler's final concept model for the Eleos has escape pods, but the final show model doesn't.

Possibly because those pods are wildly out of scale at 119 meters. They look like they use the same squat trapezoid of the FC pods, and if so they'd barely have room for one person each.

 

[publiusr]

Or the Torpedo Tubes are canted slightly off of dead ahead by 5°-15° Port/StarBoard respectively for each tube.

Since they scaled it up--I might have put torpedo tubes in the boxy lower sensor dome projection---one forward--one port and one starboard.

A way to show size is to layer things--TMP boxy projections under the wider plus sign (+) torp launchers...would have been my choice...gives it a TOS look.

At the very bottom of the neck (above the two lights, poor lighting again), so definitely behind the lower sensor dome.
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Should have put them on the secondary hull like the original Excelsior.

There was an AMT type refit called "The Grey Lady" that had torpedo blisters atop the secondary hull to either side of the dorsal---like Mon Calamari teardrops---that would look great to either side of Titan's secondary hull.

I forgot who did the Grey Lady...

 

[Tuskin38]

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[IRW Bloodwing]

Heh .. most likely another situation where the asset was used without getting permission first.
That would be the only reason Trekyards would pull it.


The relationship between CBS/Paramount Trek and Franz Joseph has been antagonistic ever since Roddenberry got pissed off over Joseph obtaining exclusive rights to his Tech Manual & Blueprints.


It was Gene who approved the use of the the starship blueprints on the monitors in TMP, knowing full well that Paramount didn't have the rights to do so.
He essentially was trying to steal back the right to use the designs.

He created a bit of a PR nightmare for Paramount when the movie hit the theaters and FJ's lawyer contacted a Paramount lawyer threatening to sue.
It was quickly settled out of court.

In short, GR was pulling a Disney before Disney started pulling Disneys...

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

For a personal ship, that's plenty big, that's the size of a small warehouse.

So I did some basic Geometry and Relative Proportions.

SS Eleos:
Length ~= 119.X meters
Width ~= _64.9 meters
Height ~= 3-4 decks (Actual Height Unknown due to lack of underside shots, so very rough estimates based on limited visual data).

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks the SS Eleos resembles a "Horse Shoe Crab" to some degree?

Here's a set of orthos Drexler posted online. Using a 3/ airlock height for reference, shes 259x151x41 meters