Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

[The Rock]

When Riker told Picard to remove himself from the bridge I honestly thought Riker had somehow figured out that Picard was really a changeling and was about to say "Your'e not Picard! Who the hell are you really? Reveal yourself!" or something like that. But nope it was the real Picard and I couldn't believe it because this is the first time Picard has fucked up this badly. He's never made a mistake like this before. It was pretty unreal. I think he'll just have to face the fact that he's no longer competent enough to be making orders or suggestions of any kind.

 

[wayoung]

I like Shaw. I hope they don't kill him off. He was pretty much right about everything. I just hope he's not a changeling. Lol

He's not. His wounds prove that.

 

[Tuskin38]

He's not. His wounds prove that.

The changeling Raffi and Worf had was wounded.

 

[cooleddie74]

But not openly bleeding on the deckplates.

 

[NCC-73515]

You know, I always remember how throughout the TNG series Picard was always portrayed as a tactical genius, but have we ever seen him do anything really tactically brilliant (aside from the "Picard Maneuver")?

the maneuver of a desperate man. he's a diplomat, not a tactician.

He's rightfully mad at Picard constantly openly contradicting him in front of the bridge. I believe Data had the same issue with Worf in Gambit. However Data allowed Worf the dignity of addressing this in private not in public.

and captain Beverly had the same confrontation with picard in agt

Inception was 2010. I think that the Spielberg War of the Worlds remake with Tom Cruise (2005) was the first to use the "brown note" noise. Was used by the "Martian" war machines to communicate with each other.

I agree it's being WAY overused in this context. I think it was used about 3 or 4 times in the second episode alone - basically any time the Shrike was shown, moved or did anything menacing.

brown noise fits so well XD

 

[wayoung]

The changeling Raffi and Worf had was wounded.

Shaw was dripping blood all over the ship. That's what gave Jack the epiphany about a blood trail. Changelings can't bleed, that's how they tested for them in DS9.

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought one once faked a test by storing human blood?

Or was that someone's theory.

 

[SJGardner]

But not openly bleeding on the deckplates.

It was corn syrup and red food paint that the changeling stored inside themselves and expelled through a fake head wound. The Daystrom Institute heist was actually a diversion to cover the changelings raiding Hollywood movie studios for industrial amounts of stage blood.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought one once faked a test by storing human blood?

Or was that someone's theory.

I thought Martok did?

 

[SJGardner]

I thought one once faked a test by storing human blood?

Or was that someone's theory.

Joe Sisko suggested that as how he would do it if he were a changeling, and it was implied that at least the Martok changeling actually did so as he cut his palm and bled on Sisko's desk back in Way of the Warrior.

 

[Dar70]

When Riker told Picard to remove himself from the bridge I honestly thought Riker had somehow figured out that Picard was really a changeling and was about to say "Your'e not Picard! Who the hell are you really? Reveal yourself!" or something like that. But nope it was the real Picard and I couldn't believe it because this is the first time Picard has fucked up this badly. He's never made a mistake like this before. It was pretty unreal. I think he'll just have to face the fact that he's no longer competent enough to be making orders or suggestions of any kind.

Picard still hasn't made.a mistake like that....

 

[wayoung]

I thought one once faked a test by storing human blood?

Or was that someone's theory.

So Shaw recently secretly murdered a crew member and stored enough human blood just in case Riker and Picard hijacked his ship so he could gush his victims blood from his mouth, from gaping leg wounds where bones broke through his flesh, and internal bleeding in front of his doctors?

 

[The Rock]

Picard still hasn't made.a mistake like that....

Hmmm, how do you figure?

 

[wayoung]

Joe Sisko suggested that as how he would do it if he were a changeling, and it was implied that at least the Martok changeling actually did so as he cut his palm and bled on Sisko's desk back in Way of the Warrior.

The Martok Changeling carefully cut his own hand and bled a line of blood, he didn't have gaping wounds with visible bones and blood gushing from his mouth while apparently near death from internal bleeding, hemorrhaging all over the ship.

 

[Dar70]

Hmmm, how do you figure?

He died in season one....

 

[SJGardner]

The Martok Changeling carefully cut his own hand and bled a line of blood, he didn't have gaping wounds with visible bones and blood gushing from his mouth while apparently near death from internal bleeding, hemorrhaging all over the ship.

Naturally, I wasn't arguing for Shaw being a changeling either, simply clarifying where the test-fooling originated in. While I do think it would be theoretically possible for a talented changeling to shape their form to have visible bones and open wounds then expel blood through them, there is simply no realistic way to store that much blood for that long without it coagulating and starting to decompose, and there's no point in setting up such a hugely complicated parlour trick for something that hypothetically may or may not happen at an indeterminate point in the future. And of course if he actually were an imposter, he wouldn't have a plausible need to have himself removed from the bridge. Why not just stay in command and give orders that doom the ship himself?

 

[The Rock]

He died in season one....

LOL touché.

 

[Tallguy]

Does anyone feel really really sorry for the crew of the Titan? "Dear Dad, the whole bridge command staff started yelling at each other again. While we were in a fire fight! How many times did someone tell someone else to leave the bridge or go be confined to quarters when you were on the Enterprise? These people are all nuts and I think I'm going to die. Love to Mom."

 

[TRON JA307020]

He died in season one....

Quite right. This is Android picard. A lesser soong created him so this android picard is so flawed and now Riker knows it. Lol

 

[Brainsucker]

the maneuver of a desperate man. he's a diplomat, not a tactician.

No, Picard is emotionally compromised. He's angry because Jack is wounded, and his life is in danger. At that moment, Jeanluc does not fit to command, and should leave the situation to Riker.

Plus, Picard's maneuver / tactic is also make sense, if there is no wormhole weapon that put their torpedoes back to Titan. And that's, including us, the viewers.