I'm still not convinced of that one.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"
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What you say is true: Seven is not in a good place, Bjayzl wouldn't otherwise face justice, and they are in lawless space. But none of that argues that for dramatic and character purposes Seven shouldn't face some fallout for this decision. Picard, who was a mentor and friend of sorts (or at least a comrade in being Borgified) argued against this course of action. Does he ever figure it out? Is he ever disappointed with her about it? Like a lot of s1 and s2 story elements, it was dropped and sloppily.
Why does she need to face consequences from an outside force? She could just as easily have to manage it internally.
There is no need there to my mind. Star Trek is supposedly grown up enough (or so people tell me) to let audiences be able to actually think for themselves without spelling out all moral lessons.
It's a habit (a holdover from the Berman era).
Right, right, sorry. I forgot were I was for a moment.
Of course Picard should shame Seven. Vehemently
Maybe they'll make a season 4 or a movie you'll like called Star Trek: Picards Adventure in the Chateau Caverns.
I'd pay to watch it. A Picard adventure I can sink my teeth in to.
But of course, real Star Trek is mature enough that it is subtle and doesn't shove answers down the throats of the viewers, letting them draw their own conclusions, but at the same time, it is also a morality play in the best traditions of the Hays code days where the good answer is always blatantly telegraphed, propriety is always rewarded and impropriety is always punished within the narrative as soon as possible, becase God forbid the viewers accidentally draw the wrong conclusion.
Regarding Seven killing Bejayzl...
Not only did she mutilate and kill countless former Borg, but she had no remorse about it and certainly did more horrible things. And she was going to continue doing so. There was no legal recourse to punish her because that area of space was lawless. Seven vaporizing her was really the only option.
And frankly, she had it coming.
Some will argue that killing for revenge is a bad thing, and I agree for the most part. But just because a horrible person was killed in revenge doesn't automatically mean it wasn't the right thing to do.
Not only did she mutilate and kill countless former Borg, but she had no remorse about it and certainly did more horrible things. And she was going to continue doing so. There was no legal recourse to punish her because that area of space was lawless. Seven vaporizing her was really the only option.
And frankly, she had it coming.
Some will argue that killing for revenge is a bad thing, and I agree for the most part. But just because a horrible person was killed in revenge doesn't automatically mean it wasn't the right thing to do.
I think we’re all sort of hoping it might be explained. I hope it’s as Telenovela as possible, with lots of looking away and crossing back and forth in a room, and arch dialogue. Which is perfect for the people that brought us both Attached and Sub Rosa.
Seven is currently a reverse James Bond, going from extra-judicial killing in the field, to Commander in a established structure, instead of the other way round.
There were things that could have worked in that season, if they had been handled differently, particularly afterwards — the problem is more how little it was addressed afterwards more than anything. Overall the first two series suffer from the same problems as the TNG films — listening too much to the actors thoughts rather than balancing them. Killing Data twice for example, even if the second time in some ways was *better* was a bad choice, as was constantly bringing Spiner back as other roles. Bringing Seven back for the popularity factor, whilst never really doing anything to really show *why* in this set up. Picard regularly being a character written for the actor, rather than as he was, a character the actor played — and always circling death until his pet Android jumps in the way. All of the TNG characters becoming subservient to that. All of which can be dealt with by showing things afterwards, but all of which are in part nixed by the show being ‘Picard’.
After losing her husband and eventually Wesley, she wanted to keep Jack in her world, not Picard's more dangerous one.
So you're saying she went Carol(e) Marcus on his ass???
Still a pretty shit thing to do. Plus it doesn't look less dangerous to me.
Yep, you've hit the nail bang on the head there.
Yep.
It might have been a different story until recently. There was some shady stuff here and there over the years, but nothing as bad as this. It could even be why Beverley felt forced to finally contact Jean-Luc.
I have to say what Beverly did, not telling Picard about having a son, is much worse than Carol Marcus.
At least Carol asked Kirk to stay out of David's life, meaning he at least knew he had a son. She might have (though dialogue doesn't really support this part) even given him the option of leaving Starfleet to help her raise him. (If that did happen and he declined, that's a different conversation altogether.)
But at least Kirk was not in the dark about having a child. Honestly, this makes Beverly look really, really bad.
At least Carol asked Kirk to stay out of David's life, meaning he at least knew he had a son. She might have (though dialogue doesn't really support this part) even given him the option of leaving Starfleet to help her raise him. (If that did happen and he declined, that's a different conversation altogether.)
But at least Kirk was not in the dark about having a child. Honestly, this makes Beverly look really, really bad.
Yeah, Beverly kind of looks like a paranoid, untrustworthy asshole after this. For all her faults in TNG she never came across as this deceptive and inconsiderate.
Someone mentioned in this thread (I think it was was Ed 209) that Seven was character assassinated in season 1. I disagree.
Using her killing Bejayzl as an example, she took an action that was efficient and worked for a greater good, like her defying Janeway and sending Species 8472 to the Hirogen in "PREY".
I think they made her fairly consistent, but different enough to be believable because 20 years have passed. 20 years worth of experiences can and will change you.
If anyone is character assassinated on this show, it's Beverly. Certainly right now.
Using her killing Bejayzl as an example, she took an action that was efficient and worked for a greater good, like her defying Janeway and sending Species 8472 to the Hirogen in "PREY".
I think they made her fairly consistent, but different enough to be believable because 20 years have passed. 20 years worth of experiences can and will change you.
If anyone is character assassinated on this show, it's Beverly. Certainly right now.
