Things we only realized later about DS9

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I'll start.

I don't recall watching this episode (I might have), but I found this tidbit while adding to Memory Alpha via chakoteya transcripts. Wrote the article, then later remembered the real song it was spoofing. Googled it, and how about that?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hail_the_Conquering_Dominion

 

[Tosk]

Just a note on adding to MemAlpha based entirely on Chakotay transcripts...those transcripts have multiple errors in them. Always good to check against the actual source.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Still, it's neat that they did that, whether intentional or not.

 

[johnnybear]

One thing I realised a little later on was how similar Tosk was to the Jem 'Hadar soldiers, and considering that they both came from the Gamma Quadrant why as far as I know was nothing was ever said to confirm or deny the similarities?
Unless it was and I missed it or it was covered in one of the many DS9 novels out there?
JB

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Good catch. A note here agrees with you. https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Tosk

 

[Oddish]

Maybe a single existing species was the ground note for both the Jem'Hadar and the Tosk. Maybe they have a genome that's easy to manipulate.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Maybe a single existing species was the ground note for both the Jem'Hadar and the Tosk. Maybe they have a genome that's easy to manipulate.

I believe that was the intention, yes. The Hunters were to have been the designated navigators/trackers of the Dominion (the Jem'Hadar that takes the helm of the Defiant in "Broken Link" was supposed to be a Hunter), with the Tosk being genetically engineered by the Founders as a gift to the Hunters.

(The Tosk and Jem'Hadar, btw, were created from the same 'original' race.)

Don't know why they dropped all that, though.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

BTW, here's the note:

The song "Hail to the Conquering Hero'", which Bashir's joke appears to be referring to, was recorded by James Darren, who played the holographic singer Vic Fontaine in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.[1]

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Quark could have a gold mine side business farming tribbles for pets.

 

[kkt]

Quark could have a gold mine side business farming tribbles for pets.

A gold mine for the first week, and then Sisko would make him clean them all up...

 

[Oddish]

Quark could have a gold mine side business farming tribbles for pets.

Or pet food. Of course, if they're born pregnant, throwing them in the meat grinder is kind of horrific...

 

[Quantum21]

How bad season 1 was.

I was so happy there were more Trek shows coming and several standout episodes were SO good, I kind of gave it pass.

In retrospect, it's the worst franchise first season ever...Yes, worse than TNG!

 

[kkt]

Wow. Well, it's subjective of course, but I see several outstanding episodes in season 1:

Emissary
Past Prologue
Captive Pursuit
Progress
The Forsaken
Duet
In the Hands of the Prophets

 

[at Quark's]

I only later realised all those Vedeks grabbing ears without asking their owners permission to feel for a non-existent 'pagh' should have been prosecuted for bodily harassment.

(Just joking of course, but I do think that they would have shown that slightly differently, if DS9 were produced in this day and age).

 

[Oddish]

I only later realised all those Vedeks grabbing ears without asking their owners permission to feel for a non-existent 'pagh' should have been prosecuted for bodily harassment.

Except the pagh in question did, in fact, exist.

 

[Relayer1]

Wow. Well, it's subjective of course, but I see several outstanding episodes in season 1:

Emissary
Past Prologue
Captive Pursuit
Progress
The Forsaken
Duet
In the Hands of the Prophets

Yup.

Progress is still a personal favourite.

 

[Oddish]

Progress is still a personal favourite.

DS9 was carving out its niche, and this show was one way it did. It reversed the usual TV trope of "lone holdout bravely holds out against big corporation" by having the big corporation win.

 

[at Quark's]

Except the pagh in question did, in fact, exist.

What 'evidence' (in-universe of course) does DS9 offer for that? From the top of my head, I can't recall anything that would be proof for an objective existence of the pagh the way Trek seems to do for a Vulcan katra. But you've got me curious.

 

[DonIago]

I'd say the main thing about DS9 that I only realized later was how prescient it would turn out to be...for better and worse...

 

[somebuddyX]

Somehow Croden did give Odo correct information in "Vortex" about Changelings. "On Rakhar, we tell stories about changelings. I thought they were myths until I met you." Somehow legends about the Founders being persecuted and living in the Omarion Nebula got to Rakhar.