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Is Starfleet Military?

If you ask me if Starfleet is a uniformed service, the answer is quite obvious that it is. I'm just not convinced it's a military.

Didn't Neil Armstrong take a revolver though?

If he did, it was a pretty reckless thing to do. Bullets have a nasty way of making holes in walls. And when there's no air outside... you get the idea.
 
Even if he had packed a piece in space (and I'm with @J.T.B. that it almost certainly didn't happen), it's unthinkable that such a thing was issued to him.

Remember in "Night Terrors", when Guinan pulled that rifle from behind her bar... that wasn't a Starfleet issue weapon, it was privately owned.

In any case, I see Starfleet as what NOAA would be in the USN didn't exist: a uniformed non-military service that was regularly called on for combat because no military organization was available.
 
If you ask me if Starfleet is a uniformed service, the answer is quite obvious that it is. I'm just not convinced it's a military.

Well quite, the Captain that's in charge of the ferry I took last year had a uniform, and a rank, and a crew of subordinates, and various legal rights as the master of a ship plying international waters.

Juan de la Cosa wasn't in the military, yet he captained a ship of 40 armed with multiple weapons following his orders from Columbus (who was also not in the military), so our own history has examples of armed explorers in a command structure but not in the military.
 
In any case, I see Starfleet as what NOAA would be in the USN didn't exist: a uniformed non-military service that was regularly called on for combat because no military organization was available.
At some point in time the Federation would be reasonable in creating a military because they are at near constant war. It's ridiculous to rely on NOAA all the time if there is constant combat.
 
In any case, I see Starfleet as what NOAA would be in the USN didn't exist: a uniformed non-military service that was regularly called on for combat because no military organization was available.

Not really.

The organisation that would take the place of the US Navy if it didn't exist is the US Coast Guard, an organisation which already has military status legally (and vessels comparable or upgradable to the smaller warships (patrol boats, corvettes and even frigates) of several second-tier countries), but operates as a de jure non-military force in piece time due to not being under the Department of Defence so that it can carry out its law enforcement operations without violating Posse Comitatus or related policies.

That's not to say that the NOAA wouldn't be part of the resultant Command, as honestly given the overlap in responsibilities it probably should be.
 
Well quite, the Captain that's in charge of the ferry I took last year had a uniform, and a rank, and a crew of subordinates, and various legal rights as the master of a ship plying international waters.

Yeah, but none of those rights include mounting medium to heavy weapons like machine guns, cannons, torpedo launchers or the equivalent of cruise missiles etc to their ferry and going around fighting their countries' wars.

Pretty sure that's never been done with ferries, and even armed merchant vessels went out of fashion a good seventy to eighty years ago and generally required Merchant Marine, Navy, Coast Guard or similar gunners and techs on board to operate the weapons any time in at least the last hundred years or so.
 
At some point in time the Federation would be reasonable in creating a military because they are at near constant war. It's ridiculous to rely on NOAA all the time if there is constant combat.

At most we have seen small scale skirmishes that are usually one on one and contained to certain sectors.
On occasion, an invidiual may try to bring down the Federation, but they tend to be stopped by a crew of a single starship.

Full scale wars on the other hand don't seem to be that common.
The conflict with the Cardassians (before the Dominion War) was effectively a border skirmish that wasn't really talked about a lot (it didn't seem to have escalated enough to be considered a 'war').

There was an Earth Romulan war in the 22nd century.
There was war with the Klingons in the 23rd century (which started with the battle of the binary stars).
There was also the Dominion War in the 24th century.

Some mentioned the UFP were at war with the Borg, but the amount of encounters with the Collective were years apart and usually involved a single Borg vessel (which needed a fleet to stop)... at least until the events of ST: Pic S2 (but prior to this, the first encounter was in the J system, second one in BoBw, third encounter in TNG: I Borg, fourth, in TNG: Descent, fifth encounter in FC movie (and a few other appearances on VOY - but that ship was closer to the Collective on a galactic scale), and after the events of 'Endgame', there was seemignly 1 encounter (sure the crew of the Protostar encountered the cube which was implied that it was the Artifact from ST:Pic S1), but otherwise... not really a war in a classical sense.

The UFP seemd to have had a major 'war' once every 100 years. But from what we saw on ST: Disco, there hadn't been much in terms of classical war until the 26th century (Sphere Builders - and they were dealt with in an alternate 26th century), and then eventually the Temporal Wars (which took up a good chunk of the 30th century)

The Temporal Wars muddy things a bit since those were waged throughout history (or across thousands of years - incursions into different time frames), but for the most part, local timeframes remained fairly unaffected because of Temporal Operatives and crews of various timeships from the 31st century ended up involved, and as we saw, most changes anyone tried to enact were negated (as if they never happened to begin with)... there was a small exception to this with the Xindi attack on Earth, and the destruction of Paragan colony... but it appears, those events needed to take place.
 
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There was also the Klingon war that started in 2266 but was ended by the Organians.

The other thing about Starfleet that we've seen in various series is that Starfleet is intended to be a credible deterrent. We've seen Romulans, Klingons, and Cardasians all resorting to suberterfuge rather than a direct confrontation with Starfleet.

Either these powers are far friendlier and / or weaker than we've been given reason to believe or they take the threat of Starfleet seriously.
 
At most we have seen small scale skirmishes that are usually one on one and contained to certain sectors.
On occasion, an invidiual may try to bring down the Federation, but they tend to be stopped by a crew of a single starship.
Even if that's the case why wouldn't the Federation want a military? To not provoke their neighbors? The Romulans and Klingons seem to engage whether provoked or not. The Tholians fought against the Federation a number of times, as well as the Cardassians.

Even if these are just "boarder skirmishes" which the Tzenkethi and the Cardassians do not sound like, why just keep with a minor force, instead of an actual military?

Either these powers are far friendlier and / or weaker than we've been given reason to believe or they take the threat of Starfleet seriously.
Indeed. The question never comes up of "Oh, it's a Romulan battlecrusier, better call Starfleet since we're just explorers." It's "Romulan battlecrusiser has been spotted and we are being sent as a show of force."
 
Even if that's the case why wouldn't the Federation want a military?

Because a few fans might jump ship and not buy Paramount's overpriced merchandise. That is the only reason that Paramount would support the non-sense of Starfleet not being a military.

There's not a single logical in-universe reason that Starfleet isn't a military. I know if the Russians or Chinese were standing on my doorstep threatening war, I sure in the fuck wouldn't send NOAA.
 
^ Who the hell cares what a "few" fans think? For every one that jumps ship, there's a hundred who will pick up the slack.
 
^ Who the hell cares what a "few" fans think? For every one that jumps ship, there's a hundred who will pick up the slack.
Squeaky wheel gets the oil, sadly. Doesn't matter what the hundred will purchase. Those few are usually the loudest and make the most noise, claiming a problem that doesn't exist.
 
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