Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"
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My way of seeing it is that under routine circumstances Picard has no authority to change Shaw's standing orders but that in an emergency/engagement scenario where the ship is at risk of destruction then there are powers in place to allow him to supersede Shaw's authority and take command.
Just an aside, but I really don’t see how the Shrike looks in any way like the Narada.
The Shrike looks like a Cylon Raider on steroids. The Narada looks like a giant robot space squid. There’s just no way they look even remotely similar.
The Shrike looks like a Cylon Raider on steroids. The Narada looks like a giant robot space squid. There’s just no way they look even remotely similar.
They both have front facing spikey bits.
What more do you need to declare them identical?
What more do you need to declare them identical?
The Narada--a Borgified spermatazoa in search of an alternate universe to fertilize.
The Shrike--fangs for the memories!
The Shrike--fangs for the memories!
Well Wil Wheaton already let something slip. In the most recent Ready Room in the interview with Ed Speleers, Wil said:
"When I met you on set..."
And yes, I suppose you could claim that maybe they were doing a shoot for the Ready Room back when the Season 3 was shooting; but come on, if Wil Wheaton's on set, my money's on the fact that they had a seat or two for him to do in Picard season 3.
I mean they set him up as The Traveler in season 2. You'd think one of the threads they'd want to tie up in season 3 is letting his mother Beverly Crusher know what's happened to him at the very least, in some manner.
Hell, after 36 years I still want to know how the staunch Frenchman, Jean-Luc Picard, who extolled the colors of the French flag in TNG S1 The Last Outpost, has the thick British accent, and loves Earl Gray tea.
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Shrike could well be a refit! From certain angles anyway.
I mean... well, not really. Not to me anyway. The Narada has countless sharp bits hanging off it and doesn't seem to be making any efforts towards symmetry. It has no clearly identifiable point where a bridge or weapons might be and nothing we'd recognise as 'nacelles'. The Shrike has an identifiable deflector, 'nacelles' and command section, plus weapons arrays and is absolutely symmetrical.
If you see it, I'm not going to argue, but I just don't see it at all.
@Char Kais Don't even bother. I refuse to engage with you.
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Matalas Saud he's aware if the brother issue. So it looks that maybe in this season or a future trek project they will get all the crushers together.
I don’t think Picard suddenly has actual authority. I read the scene as Picard counting on institutional (military
) reflexes. A senior officer starts barking orders, lower ranks fall in line in the heat of the moment. At least, that’s my guess on how the writers approached it. Beyond that, the needs of the drama outweigh the needs of verisimilitude.
Why would anyone speculate this Jack Crusher was conceived during TNG season 2? Having Crusher conceive a child in season 2 would mean Beverly abandoned her newly born child for about 6 years or more. That's a horrible idea to consider.
Then there is the fact that, in universe, TNG season 2 was 40 years ago.
That's a long time for Beverly to keep this secret, especially for no obvious reason.
Then there is the fact that, in universe, TNG season 2 was 40 years ago.
That's a long time for Beverly to keep this secret, especially for no obvious reason.
I don't begrudge anyone for liking this. I'm watching some youtubers (critics) that have seen this entire thing and were in the camp that season 1&2 stunk (rightfully so) and are praising this.
I just don't see it.
This is what was going through my head when I watched this episode.
Captain Shaw is a frellin idiot. Seven has to convince him to go rescue a couple of legends (good on her), he pops in (very, very nice there) gets them out and 7 recommends to him, because they are outgunned and not in federation space they should leave immediately. HE decides to stay, they get their asses handed to them and then he sends 7 to her room?
Who writes this shit? Come on... 7 should have let him have it.
We meet Vadic and my fears from watching the trailers were confirmed. Amanda Plummer is horrible. She looks like ass and is already stinking the joint up. I could have picked 10 other women to play that part (you know it HAD to be a woman)... how the hell did they choose her? ... because her father died? They could have stuck with the '12 Monkey' theme and booked Emily Hampshire - that girl has an acting range and we know she can play a great nut-job.
Was there anyone on the star trek planet that didn't KNOW this was Picard and Beverly's son? Absolutely no surprise there. The scene at the end when Picard finally owns up to being his father was a good one though.
"I'll give you one hour".... why on Earth would she do that? She could have dismantled that ship in 5 minutes and beamed her prize away. Oh, we need time for some poorly written drama...
Why oh why is EVERYTHING so damn dark? This is a Star Fleet ship... for god's sake TURN THE LIGHTS ON!
Worf gets a great entrance, sure - that was pretty cool... I thought it might have been Elnor... but why does he behead the 12-Monkies Ferengi? I guess no one will need him for any of this investigating stuff...
Raffi doesn't ensure (whats his name) is alive before she goes in and decides to use him as part of her cover? Yikes!
Picard needs to clear his damn throat.
Positives... the kid that is playing Jack Crusher is very talented. Riker steals every scene he's in. Seven is awesome. That scene where the ship warps in and disables the tractor beam was awesome, but one wonders how they got accurate enough sensor data from inside the nebula.
I'm already frustrated and we are only 2 episodes in.
Interesting thought... can we really hold the golem Picard up as Jack's father? This is not JLP.
I just don't see it.
This is what was going through my head when I watched this episode.
Captain Shaw is a frellin idiot. Seven has to convince him to go rescue a couple of legends (good on her), he pops in (very, very nice there) gets them out and 7 recommends to him, because they are outgunned and not in federation space they should leave immediately. HE decides to stay, they get their asses handed to them and then he sends 7 to her room?
Who writes this shit? Come on... 7 should have let him have it.
We meet Vadic and my fears from watching the trailers were confirmed. Amanda Plummer is horrible. She looks like ass and is already stinking the joint up. I could have picked 10 other women to play that part (you know it HAD to be a woman)... how the hell did they choose her? ... because her father died? They could have stuck with the '12 Monkey' theme and booked Emily Hampshire - that girl has an acting range and we know she can play a great nut-job.
Was there anyone on the star trek planet that didn't KNOW this was Picard and Beverly's son? Absolutely no surprise there. The scene at the end when Picard finally owns up to being his father was a good one though.
"I'll give you one hour".... why on Earth would she do that? She could have dismantled that ship in 5 minutes and beamed her prize away. Oh, we need time for some poorly written drama...
Why oh why is EVERYTHING so damn dark? This is a Star Fleet ship... for god's sake TURN THE LIGHTS ON!
Worf gets a great entrance, sure - that was pretty cool... I thought it might have been Elnor... but why does he behead the 12-Monkies Ferengi? I guess no one will need him for any of this investigating stuff...
Raffi doesn't ensure (whats his name) is alive before she goes in and decides to use him as part of her cover? Yikes!
Picard needs to clear his damn throat.
Positives... the kid that is playing Jack Crusher is very talented. Riker steals every scene he's in. Seven is awesome. That scene where the ship warps in and disables the tractor beam was awesome, but one wonders how they got accurate enough sensor data from inside the nebula.
I'm already frustrated and we are only 2 episodes in.
Interesting thought... can we really hold the golem Picard up as Jack's father? This is not JLP.
I think your answer is right there in this paragraph, "Bloodlines". Crusher saw how enemies would go after Picards' offspring as a way to get to him, so she hid him (only she had no relatives on Tatoine
)I don't think this is canon, but the Narada was Borgified between when she went back in time until Nero and friends escaped the Klingon prison. (All Deleted Scenes). The Shrike could be what the ship looked like originally.
Objectively, I have to give this a 7.
The performances by Patrick, Ed and Plummer really elevated the script and dialogue. If not for those, this would have been a 6 perhaps.
This episode (judged as a standalone) really falters due to the Raffi scenes. They grind the momentum and pacing of the episode to a halt.
I respect what the showrunners were trying to do, but S3 isn't going to draw back the audiences who have given up on Nu Trek if they keep doing the drug-addict grandma storyline. It takes time away from the TNG characters on a very short season.
The performances by Patrick, Ed and Plummer really elevated the script and dialogue. If not for those, this would have been a 6 perhaps.
This episode (judged as a standalone) really falters due to the Raffi scenes. They grind the momentum and pacing of the episode to a halt.
I respect what the showrunners were trying to do, but S3 isn't going to draw back the audiences who have given up on Nu Trek if they keep doing the drug-addict grandma storyline. It takes time away from the TNG characters on a very short season.
It never left
By the Tal Shi’ar before time traveling, non?
Her scenes ground the franchise. I don’t think trek has ever tackled drug addiction like this before. It can be relatable to those who have gone through it before
Again, I see things differently. Picard ALWAYS had the authority. Nowhere was it stated that Picard lacked the authority and now suddenly he has it. Shaw clearly thinks Picard and Riker are a bunch of old retired "cowboys" and he did not like them coming onboard. He makes that clear in the dinner scene in ep 1 but that did not mean that Picard lacked the authority. In ep 1, Picard could have ordered Shaw to go to the Ryton system and Shaw might have protested but he would have obeyed. Picard just chose not to use his authority. He asked Shaw instead of ordering him and so Shaw said no.
