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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"

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Already it seems like the profanity has been dialed back from season 1 levels
Season 1 barely had swearing. There were 2 fucks.

Ok, fine. It practically and effectively breaks the fourth wall, in that it immediately ejects a viewer from the episode and makes them think of real world production.
Maybe for you, not for most people, at least not for most people on this site.
 
My opinion on the big reveal?

It’s a cover. It’s actually a clone of Jack Crusher, and Picard knows this, and pretends it’s his son because he wants to protect his “old Friend” after not being able to on the Stargazer. He felt he owed it to both Jack and Beverly. And Riker recognizes Jack as Jack, and that’s why he asking Picard about the obvious.

Well that’s my hope anyway. But as long as whatever the truth is is entertaining, I don’t care.

Some of the "tells" in the first episode (like seeing O.G. Jack Crusher's belongings, or the DNA in the closing titles) would make more sense with a Jack Crusher clone. And of course, Picard would recognize Jack Crusher from his early/mid 20s immediately.

That said...it's just profoundly creepy for Bev to clone her long-dead husband and raise him as a son. Was she hoping to fuck him when he got of age or something?
 
At least Vadic attacking the Titan gave the bridge momentary lighting.

Sweet Fancy Kahless, people, they're light bulbs. They're not expensive, even in a post-pandemic economy.
Apparently the darkness was a mistake they couldn't fix in time for filming. They wanted the bridge to self illuminate so they wouldn't have to use too many studio lights for more dynamic filming angles.

Once they had it set up and realized how dark it was, there wasn't time to fix it.

Someone here said it apparently gets brighter in later episodes, but not sure where they got that info.
 
And of course, Picard would recognize Jack Crusher from his early/mid 20s immediately.
But since Picard doesn't recognize Jack as the Jack Crusher from his early 20's.

And Beverly confirmed to JLP that it's his kid.

That works out as to why JLP wouldn't recognize him right away.

Also the British accent, being the kid of Beverly & JLP & having a British Accent.

That's a dead give away that it's JLP's son.
 
Some of the "tells" in the first episode (like seeing O.G. Jack Crusher's belongings, or the DNA in the closing titles) would make more sense with a Jack Crusher clone. And of course, Picard would recognize Jack Crusher from his early/mid 20s immediately.

That said...it's just profoundly creepy for Bev to clone her long-dead husband and raise him as a son. Was she hoping to fuck him when he got of age or something?
That's what holodecks are for if she wanted that.

Ed Speelers just had an interview where he's basically confirming he plays Picard's son and even helpfully gave out Jack's age of 20 something https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/ed-speleers-star-trek-picard-jack-crusher-1235532808/ . DIdn't realize he was the actor from Eragon, which I liked quite a bit despite the film's poor reception. Anyway the interview seemingly shoots down the theory of him being born during TNG S2
 
But since Picard doesn't recognize Jack as the Jack Crusher from his early 20's.

And Beverly confirmed to JLP that it's his kid.

That works out as to why JLP wouldn't recognize him right away.

Also the British accent, being the kid of Beverly & JLP & having a British Accent.

That's a dead give away that it's JLP's son.

See, THAT'S what Picard looked like as a Cadet at the Academy in the 2320s. Not bald Tom Hardy. ;)
 
If it's 2401 and not 2411 then why does Raffi's granddaughter look like a 10-year-old child and not like a 12-24-month-old toddler?

Raffi's daughter-in-law was pregnant in 2399.

2399:
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2401: How?
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The same way Worf's son, Alexander - born in S3 of TNG (circa 2466 given Data gave TNG S1 the date of 2264 in the S1 episode The Neutral Zone) can be a full fledged Klingon warrior serving aboard the Bird of Prey Rotaran by S6 circa2374 (at which time he should be age 8.)

Hell, that pic looks closer to a near two year old than 8 year old Alexander as he appeared in the DS9 S6 episode Sons And Daughters.:shrug::lol:

Welcome to STAR TREK.
 
I'm sure Beverly had good reasons for doing what she did.
I hope so, but writers are human and can just make mistakes in storytelling. Or they potentially want us to think less of her.

The death toll of the Battle of New York in the first Avengers movie was supposedly only 74.

My favorite absurdly low death toll was in an episode of Justice League Unlimited when a space laser shot down from orbit and destroyed a building in the middle of a city. The streets rolled like liquid in the wake of the shockwave and cars were flung into the air. And yet, deaths: 0.
 
That's what holodecks are for if she wanted that.

Ed Speelers just had an interview where he's basically confirming he plays Picard's son and even helpfully gave out Jack's age of 20 something https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/ed-speleers-star-trek-picard-jack-crusher-1235532808/ . DIdn't realize he was the actor from Eragon, which I liked quite a bit despite the film's poor reception. Anyway the interview seemingly shoots down the theory of him being born during TNG S2
If it's 20 something, can't they just up the number to 29?

That would be easier given the actor is 34 y/o.

See, THAT'S what Picard looked like as a Cadet at the Academy in the 2320s. Not bald Tom Hardy.
Tom Hardy was a failed clone, he either lost his hair early or chose to shave it for whatever reason.
 
I was paraphrasing, the actual interview answer was 23-24, which puts his birth before Nemesis strangely enough
So in between movies?

Anyways, my current theory is that Beverly discovered that Jack had Irumodic Syndrome and a advanced form of it that would affect her kid early on.

The only way to fix it was with advanced Genetic Alterations, enough Alterations that wouldn't be allowed in the UFP. So she decided to give her son a better chance at life by taking him out of the UFP and get him enhanced, similar to how Julian Bashir was enhanced.

Not to the point to make him a Augment like Khan, but much closer to Julian Bashir.

Jack would have some advantages, but not too many, and definitely not aggression; that shouldn't be tampered with, humanity has enough natural aggression as is, you don't need to enhance that.
 
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The same reason most sci-fi babies turn into speech-capable little kids in just a couple of seasons. To further the story needs. I mean, Alexander was a quarter human and not a full Klingon so technically he shouldn't have looked like a human kindergartener just two years after he was conceived but, hey, Star Trek.

Ah, SORAS (Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome). One of the funniest tropes, IMO. :D
 
Some of the "tells" in the first episode (like seeing O.G. Jack Crusher's belongings, or the DNA in the closing titles) would make more sense with a Jack Crusher clone. And of course, Picard would recognize Jack Crusher from his early/mid 20s immediately.

That said...it's just profoundly creepy for Bev to clone her long-dead husband and raise him as a son. Was she hoping to fuck him when he got of age or something?
“I have no father!”

Like literally, maybe?
 
Gave it an 8 but would be higher without the tedious Raffi storyline. The constant seconds from tears thing bugs me too.

The A plot was a lot of fun though and was hooked all the way.

Loving Shaw but with Jack Crusher I can't shake the feeling I have seen him a million times before. The face, voice, attitude it's all to familiar and cliche same goes for Vadic.
 
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