Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"
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Yeah, I didn't really have a problem with Shaw not trusting them in the first episode either, just that they made him so clearly unlikeable in order to make the main cast look good. People made Jellico comparisons, but I don't think he wasn't coded as a complete asshole like Shaw was. And also Jellico is a competent captain in his own right and not a complete schlub.
But yeah, none of that really matters because Shaw has to be wrong and "our" crew has to be right.
Although that said, I'm wondering if they put in Picard forgetting the transport inhibitors as a very obvious sign that his Irumodic Syndrome flaring up again (although I still don't know why a robot would have human diseases... but why not), so maybe at some point down the line he'll be proven wrong. Otherwise, it's an odd beat to put in.
Unless it is a trick like the Damon Bok episode.I was going to give this episode a 9, but then the revelation happened and it lowered the score to an 8.
I enjoyed it more than last week, but now that the "Premiere Event" episodes have past, I still think it was overhyped. However, I enjoyed the ship to ship stuff between the Titan and the Shrike, and I actually like the look of the new Farengi in Picard (Before that becomes like a 10 page conversation in this thread while I'm sleeping). I also loved seeing Worf again, even though it was ever brief. However, making Crusher be Picard's Son is something I hoped wouldn't happen and it did. This series has now fallen into the long lost son troupe many other shows fall into. Let's see what they do with it, but I did kinda roll my eyes at the end.
They hit hard on the Star Trek 5 soundtrack this week. Are they basically going to feature scores from the various movies this season. Also, I hate that they put the credits at the end and we don't have the Picard theme this season at the beginning. The fact that we didn't get anything new for episode 2 kinda bugged me.
I'm sorry, I love the TNG cast but this is probably one of the worst episodes of Trek I've seen, worse than Voyager: Threshold in my opinion. I have no idea why Sir Patrick agreed to this ridiculous plot. It's not like he was exactly starving for money especially after the X-Men movies.
We know from DS9 that there's male birth control, and that's not even getting into the improbability of Crusher conceiving at her age unless she was purposely using 24th century fertility treatments. And then her hiding this son from Picard? She basically deprived Picard of his wish to have a family as shown in Generations in the Nexus. How could she do that to him?
It doesn't matter what they write at this point because I really doubt anything they reveal will satisfactorily resolve these issues for me. It's hard because I feel Prodigy and Strange New Worlds are doing a lot right, but Picard's just been one disastrous story after another after Season 1 ended (which while not great, was a solid story and still a plausible continuation of Picard's character)
Also how come the Titan was hyped up to be the newest, latest, and greatest ship in the fleet last week and suddenly Shaw's all like "We're a science vessel, we can't handle combat!" Even as far back as TOS the 1701 was stated to be extremely powerful despite its mission being science.
We know from DS9 that there's male birth control, and that's not even getting into the improbability of Crusher conceiving at her age unless she was purposely using 24th century fertility treatments. And then her hiding this son from Picard? She basically deprived Picard of his wish to have a family as shown in Generations in the Nexus. How could she do that to him?
It doesn't matter what they write at this point because I really doubt anything they reveal will satisfactorily resolve these issues for me. It's hard because I feel Prodigy and Strange New Worlds are doing a lot right, but Picard's just been one disastrous story after another after Season 1 ended (which while not great, was a solid story and still a plausible continuation of Picard's character)
Also how come the Titan was hyped up to be the newest, latest, and greatest ship in the fleet last week and suddenly Shaw's all like "We're a science vessel, we can't handle combat!" Even as far back as TOS the 1701 was stated to be extremely powerful despite its mission being science.
if that happened this season will be worse than season 2. I hope that does not happen.
That damned "skip intro" bar on the recap lingered on my OLED for about a minute. Gave me a good scare. Suggest anyone with an OLED and HDR/Dolby Vision watch the SDR feed until you get past it.
I'd say a 9/10. Just a slight drop from 301.
Welcome 12 MONKEYS veterans Sean Tretta and Aaron Stanford to the Star Trek franchise.
Great new take on the TMP Klingon theme when Worf appears.
Nice to see so much of the Titan interior so quickly... Transporter room, brig, Sickbay... Just feels a bit cramped, but maybe they had limited stage space.
The Ferengi makeup? It's a bit revisionist, but not to the point it isn't a believable variation within all the Ferengi seen in TNG and DS9. This guy just had a very oval face with pinned in lobes... Just please please ditch the ST09 makeup guys if they can't stop trying to reinvent the great Michael Westmore!
And yeah, I knew about Jack's parentage for over six months so that wasn't too much of a surprise.
Look forward to rewatching tomorrow. This season has great replay value compared to season 2. Great to get the first watch in before 1 AM. Enjoy everyone!
I'd say a 9/10. Just a slight drop from 301.
Welcome 12 MONKEYS veterans Sean Tretta and Aaron Stanford to the Star Trek franchise.
Great new take on the TMP Klingon theme when Worf appears.
Nice to see so much of the Titan interior so quickly... Transporter room, brig, Sickbay... Just feels a bit cramped, but maybe they had limited stage space.
The Ferengi makeup? It's a bit revisionist, but not to the point it isn't a believable variation within all the Ferengi seen in TNG and DS9. This guy just had a very oval face with pinned in lobes... Just please please ditch the ST09 makeup guys if they can't stop trying to reinvent the great Michael Westmore!
And yeah, I knew about Jack's parentage for over six months so that wasn't too much of a surprise.
Look forward to rewatching tomorrow. This season has great replay value compared to season 2. Great to get the first watch in before 1 AM. Enjoy everyone!
The Dolby Vision version of the episode was fine for me. The SDR seemed a bit over saturated when I checked.
In my P+ app, I hit the back button whenever the Skip appears to dismiss it. I think they fixed the longstanding issue where the app pops up a Play or Pause icon in the middle of the screen and the episode timeline at the button whenever it displays a Skip button.
Haha what's the DISCOVERY reference? Maybe I rated the episode too hastily
That's a gloriously evil looking main baddie ship.
They did a good job of making it truly look evil.
Maybe Julian wrote a tell all.
Again, this was an episode I'd mostly class as "fine", but another that feels like setup. Shaw seems almost reasonable this round, presumably because he had to pass the hambone off to Vadic, but I'm still very much "is he dead yet?" with this guy. I'm sure his psych profile will come up again later.
I can't get that worked up about Jack Crusher for his own sake; half of the Picard/Bev Crusher 'shippers give them a kid, why not Matalas? My doubt is all centered around how they can possibly explain him without damaging Beverly's character.
Good to see Worf again, but I'm not all that sold on his being an intelligence operative.
Vadic isn't really grabbing me as of right now. The last time I did this much tittering at a villain reveal was, "Hello, Christopher. I'm Nero." Plummer isn't holding back, and good for her, but I'd have trimmed the shrike speech entirely.
I did very much get a kick out of Bev's teaching her son to be an off-white hat. That's some backstory I'd quite like to see explored, and I hope we see more of their dynamic.
As much as I'd like that, I don't think it'll be happening. I'd love to be proven wrong. It's the 4th Indy movie all over again, curiously Harrison Ford and Sir Patrick share a birthday.
They wrote they last saw a Ferengi in ST09 and like the new makeup, but there was no Ferengi in that one, and we last saw one in Disco S4 (or 3?), who had different makeup already, making this one here a re-redesign. Or since it mostly goes back to the original design, it's a de-re-design.Haha what's the DISCOVERY reference? Maybe I rated the episode too hastily
I remember an interview Matalas gave before the season started saying that he wanted to try and make each episode its own distinct thing. It was still going to be a 10 hour movie, but every installment was going to have its own beginning, middle, and end. So far we're two episodes in and it really doesn't feel like that at all. Just feels like a much longer presentation cut up.
Again, the writing lets this one down more than anything else. Shaw is literally just there to be a source of friction. The reveal of Picard's son was the most telegraphed thing in the world and still managed to elicit an eyeroll from me. I suppose it's not really fair to compare the two, but after spending twelve weeks with Andor, the spycraft stuff in this show feels painfully pedestrian so far.
Vadic's kind of fun though, even if I have no idea what her deal is yet.
6, and I think I might be being generous with that. More than anything, I think the high expectations a lot of early reviewers set have hurt this show.
Again, the writing lets this one down more than anything else. Shaw is literally just there to be a source of friction. The reveal of Picard's son was the most telegraphed thing in the world and still managed to elicit an eyeroll from me. I suppose it's not really fair to compare the two, but after spending twelve weeks with Andor, the spycraft stuff in this show feels painfully pedestrian so far.
Vadic's kind of fun though, even if I have no idea what her deal is yet.
6, and I think I might be being generous with that. More than anything, I think the high expectations a lot of early reviewers set have hurt this show.
All I can think of is Laris. Poor woman.
Ahhh crisis averted then hahaThey wrote they last saw a Ferengi in ST09 and like the new makeup, but there was no Ferengi in that one, and we last saw one in Disco S4 (or 3?), who had different makeup already, making this one here a re-redesign. Or since it mostly goes back to the original design, it's a de-re-design.
A certain reviewer highly critical of NuTrek has promised this season is fully compliant with canon, so if it's good enough for him...
Great to know, thanks. That outline was still visible through half the Fenris Ranger scene.
+ The shot of the Titan warping in to sever the tractor beam was awesome. Awesome job by Ensign LaForge, that had to be tricky.
- When they revealed that Jack was something of a con man I was hoping that meant he wasn't even Beverly's son, much less Picard's....and then they just revealed that's exactly who he was anyway. Meh.
+ Was surprising to see that level of gore, but Worf chopping those dudes up was badass. I feel like they're trying to make up for all those times Worf was used as the proverbial punching bag in TNG.
- Not sure why they keep having Picard seem so bewildered. "What did she just do." Uh...did you not have the same view out the viewscreen that everyone else did?
+ I loved that Shaw immediately went with the plan to protect Jack the moment he learned that he's Picard's son. He may be a cranky curmudgeon but he's not a total dick.
+ Vadic wasn't what I expected from the trailers and I'm for one glad to see she doesn't have some personal vendetta against Picard (as far as we know). The closest I can remember to her particular demeanor was Eric Bana's casual delivery of "Hello Christopher, I'm Nero." in ST09. Somehow a villain who is finding joy and glee in being the villain is much more threatening than the standard mustache-twirling, sinister bad guy routine. I only wish her crew wasn't comprised of yet more faceless minions.
+ The sound design has been on point so far. I particularly enjoyed the TUC-style viewscreen sound effect, and the LCARS and transporter sounds have been very TNG.
- When they revealed that Jack was something of a con man I was hoping that meant he wasn't even Beverly's son, much less Picard's....and then they just revealed that's exactly who he was anyway. Meh.
+ Was surprising to see that level of gore, but Worf chopping those dudes up was badass. I feel like they're trying to make up for all those times Worf was used as the proverbial punching bag in TNG.
- Not sure why they keep having Picard seem so bewildered. "What did she just do." Uh...did you not have the same view out the viewscreen that everyone else did?
+ I loved that Shaw immediately went with the plan to protect Jack the moment he learned that he's Picard's son. He may be a cranky curmudgeon but he's not a total dick.
+ Vadic wasn't what I expected from the trailers and I'm for one glad to see she doesn't have some personal vendetta against Picard (as far as we know). The closest I can remember to her particular demeanor was Eric Bana's casual delivery of "Hello Christopher, I'm Nero." in ST09. Somehow a villain who is finding joy and glee in being the villain is much more threatening than the standard mustache-twirling, sinister bad guy routine. I only wish her crew wasn't comprised of yet more faceless minions.
+ The sound design has been on point so far. I particularly enjoyed the TUC-style viewscreen sound effect, and the LCARS and transporter sounds have been very TNG.
Not sure if I am remembering it right but I think Brunt had those pulled back ears too - clearly a sign of Ferengi who are dickheads
