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[Turtletrekker]

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[drt]

I saw a post from RealMerch that states they're receiving their stock from Master Replicas, so I guess that mystery is solved.

 

[NCC-73515]

Much better picture of the models (lights are on) XD

Spoiler

 

[David cgc]

Interesting, they looked chrome on TV, not gold. I wonder if "the fat ones" are straight from the box or were coated after the fact. Voyager looks 3D-printed from the seam in the saucer. It almost looks like there are two sizes of Federation-class, but that's probably just distortion from the wide lens making the one closer to the edge look bigger. It's an interesting choice, I wonder what the thinking behind that was, it's not as apparent for why it would be here, now, as Voyager, Stargazer, or the -D.

 

[drt]

It’s especially odd because I don’t think CBS owns the rights to the FJ designs.

 

[NCC-73515]

Yeah, why make them golden, when you're gonna show them in dark blueish teal

 

[drt]

It’s especially odd because I don’t think CBS owns the rights to the FJ designs.

Oops, I saw elsewhere on the BBS that TrekYards and other folks who've made content discussing the dreadnought have been asked to delete it. I guess FJ's estate will be getting another check from Paramount for accidentally using something they don't own.

 

[Michael]

I must say I find that so weird. Surely Franz Joseph designed his stuff under license from Paramount back in the day. So why wouldn't they have the right to use whatever he produced for them?

 

[drt]

I must say I find that so weird. Surely Franz Joseph designed his stuff under license from Paramount back in the day. So why wouldn't they have the right to use whatever he produced for them?

No, he did it independently then Paramount licensed it from him.

Obviously, today they’d never do that, it would all be work-for-hire so that they’d own everything.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Wow - I honestly thought they finally worked all that stuff out after FJ died. I wonder if the dreadnaughts will be digitally removed when S3 hits blu-ray.

 

[mswood]

I remember the NX-01.5 in Picard's counselling dream.

Yes and No. Yes if you mean that that design represents something at some point to people in the 23rd century. No if you mean that it specifically indicates a starship matches that design.

For all we know it's a toy prop from a holovid thats not based on anything that factually happened in Star Travel.

 

[drt]

Wow - I honestly thought they finally worked all that stuff out after FJ died. I wonder if the dreadnaughts will be digitally removed when S3 hits blu-ray.

Yeah, you'd think that CBS/Paramount would try and buy the rights. Star Fleet Battles is largely dead, so there can't be much income rolling in from that license, and it's been over thirty years since the Technical Manual (and forty for the General Plans) last saw a release.

However, if the estate was offered a deal, it likely wasn't much, because there's probably little interest in FJ's stuff anymore as the evolution of the Star Trek Universe has largely superseded most of what's in the Technical Manual.

Taking that into account, combined with an interview with FJ's daughter I read a while back would seem to be a recipe for impasse, as she seems to hold a grudge from Roddenberry's actions thirty years ago. So maybe we shouldn't be surprised...

 

[NCC-73515]

If I had designed stuff that Trek wants to use, I'd be honored to just be mentioned in the credits somewhere, and wouldn't even ask for money. But I know this is not how the world works.
And can't Paramount argue that FJS just rearranged parts Jeffries designed? Otherwise we could take the Sovereign, or the new Titan-A, move nacelles around, and then get rich for the rest of our lives if they use it

 

[Dukhat]

And can't Paramount argue that FJS just rearranged parts Jeffries designed?

That doesn't matter. FJ's estate owns the design of the dreadnought in an agreement made a long time ago but is still legally binding.

 

[Tallguy]

And can't Paramount argue that FJS just rearranged parts Jeffries designed?

That's one of the things that kind of blows me away: The Dreadnought is the least kitbashy of the FJ fleet. The only thing that is stock is the nacelles. The saucer, secondary hull, and pylons are all custom to the Fed.

I wonder what the thinking behind that was,

Right?

Oops, I saw elsewhere on the BBS that TrekYards and other folks who've made content discussing the dreadnought have been asked to delete it. I guess FJ's estate will be getting another check from Paramount for accidentally using something they don't own.

Like, old content or content pertaining to this episode?

 

[NCC-73515]

The shuttlebay, both deflectors (for backwards warpflight? ), and nacelles are the same, and the saucer and engine section are minimally changed IIRC.

 

[drt]

Like, old content or content pertaining to this episode?

New content, although, I saw in a PIC S3 thread this afternoon that the TrekYards episode in question has apparently reappeared. Not sure if they edited out the offending content, or if the check to FJ’s estate has cleared.

 

[NCC-73515]

Very insightful and entertaining interviews with FJS and his daughter here: http://www.trekplace.com/franzjoseph.html

Some highlights...

Unfortunately, some people are only able to converse upon one subject ... and do so ... ad nausium.

I've had six people around the country write to me who want to built a full-sized Enterprise as a Disneyland-type attraction, I've tried to discourage them.

I don't like the idea of getting into space with the Earth's military. I don't want our military ideas carried into space.

I've learned from working with the youngsters all my life that when a kid says "all" the ST fans will like it he means himself and his friends, which may be five or ten people.

The first printing of the plans was 50,000 copies which went into the bookstores in March 1975, without any fanfare or preadvertising. They were sold out in two hours. This was followed with a printing of 100,000 copies and then another printing of 60,000 copies and both of these sold out in transit. They didn't catch up with the demand with further printings until I think it was September. One bookstore said it was easy: "all you do is put the cash register just inside the door with the plans stacked up in front of it. That saves your store from being trampled into pieces."

It became number one on B. Dalton's list in the first week of sales and, three weeks later, it became number one on the New York Times list of bestsellers, where it remained, I think, for two or three months or something like that.

Apparently, my works created the largest financial gain in one year that had ever been achieved. I was also told it was the largest single-print order that had ever been placed up to that time. The Manual outsold, and topped, all the SF bestsellers then on the market.

Thousands of people believe the Manual is actually a 24th-century document.

And his daughter explains the problem: Paramount allowed him to copyright it himself, that's why P doesn't have the rights for SFHQ, the UFP faces logo, and the new ships.

 

[Macintosh]

And his daughter explains the problem: Paramount allowed him to copyright it himself, that's why P doesn't have the rights for SFHQ, the UFP faces logo, and the new ships.

Those of us who are fans of Doctor Who know this as "the Nation Estate problem".

 

[Tomalak]

Fortunately the Joseph estate only really have the rights to some fairly obscure ships rather than the most iconic villains! Imagine if Gene Coon’s estate blocked anyone from using the Klingons?