Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x01 - "The Next Generation"

[Nerys Myk]

The Naked Now, and Haven.

Early season weirdness

 

[cooleddie74]

Like "Class of '78."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Like "Class of '78."

Some sideshow level contortions over that one from some quarters of fandom on that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Bill" and "Will" are accepted, common, nicknames for "William." We don't know what Riker preffered but everyone pretty much always called him Will unless they were being formal, so we can draw our own conclusions.

Seven wants to me called Seven and doesn't identify with the name "Annika" and the two names have no connection beyond being assigned to the same person.

She's being deadnamrd, pure and simple. This isn't using a name that's so commonly used in place of her regular name (like calling her Sev) someone making a slip of the tongue on a nickname heard earlier or... referencing... A name to a character she has in a different movie/show (I mean... Huh?)

This is taking a name she disassociated herself with, that probably gives her painful memories, and smacking her in the face with it. It's insulting and only equatable to the same thing in ten Trans Community. Full stop.

Realize it.

Knock it off.

We don't know how much pursuasion was used.

He could have said "Can you do me a favour?"

You are right but she is wrong.

You don't glorify mass murderers, and then weep about your indvidual freedoms those mass murderers would never give you, unless you are a dick.

Seven of Nine is and always has been a dick.

 

[cooleddie74]

Some sideshow level contortions over that one from some quarters of fandom on that.

"Well, Data's graduating class in 2345 had just 78 successful Cadets in it. There. Solved."

And that's way less idiotic than the others.

 

[Enterprise1701]

"Bill" and "Will" are accepted, common, nicknames for "William."

Observation: This custom is declining. I speculate future generations of Trek fans will not feel the significance of William --> Bill.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Stop making shit up.

We make assumptions about what is happening off camera.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yeah Kurtzman introduced Jim Kirk who witnessed a massacre as a child and was obsessed over finding the man behind it. And speaking of obsession there was also the cloud that killed his captain. Man that one stuck in his mind for decades.
He also must have introduced Spock's bullying.

But Kirk didn't let it get on the way of his duty before and after that episode. His ship and crew came first.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Even Thomas gave up on being called Bill.

 

[thribs]

The Enterprise F is being decommissioned? That didn’t last very long. We get a shiny new Enterprise

 

[Nerys Myk]

We make assumptions about what is happening off camera.

Try more fact bases assumptions and less ones that are just ass.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Early season weirdness

And I could be wrong, but I think only Deanna called him Bill...which would be a whole 'nother thing.

 

[Trekker4747]

We don't know how much pursuasion was used.

He could have said "Can you do me a favour?"

You are right but she is wrong.

You don't glorify mass murderers, and then weep about your indvidual freedoms those mass murderers would never give you, unless you are a dick.

Seven of Nine is and always has been a dick.

She cannot be blamed or held responsible for actions she had no control over.

 

[thribs]

I think people are overreacting about the name change. The captain probably didn’t demand that she change her name since that wouldn’t be allowed. He probably requested that she did and she reluctantly agreed.

 

[cooleddie74]

This whole thing earns 7 out of a possible 9 sighs and referral to Unimatrix Less Than Zero for disciplinary action.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But Kirk didn't let it get on the way of his duty before and after that episode. His ship and crew came first.

Wasn't he called on the carpet by Spock?

KIRK: Come
MCCOY: My report on Lieutenant Riley.
KIRK: Will he make it?
MCCOY: He's got a good chance.
SPOCK: Can we predict the same for you, Captain?
KIRK: All right, Mister Spock. Let's have it.
SPOCK: Lieutenant Riley was a witness. So were you.
KIRK: All right.
SPOCK: Someone tried to kill him.
MCCOY: Could have been an accident.
SPOCK: You should be told the difference between empiricism and stubbornness, Doctor. I checked with the library computer, just as you did. I got the same information.
KIRK: Aren't you getting a little out of line, Mister Spock? My personal business,
SPOCK: Is my personal business when it might interfere with the smooth operation of this ship.
KIRK: You think that happened?
SPOCK: It could happen.
KIRK: I don't like anyone meddling in my private affairs. Not even my second in command.
MCCOY: Jim, Spock's simply trying,
KIRK: I know what he's doing, and I don't like it.
MCCOY: It's his job, and you know it.

Kirk also deliberately set it up so the Karidian Company would have to be on the Enterprise. Placing Riley in danger.

And in Obsession Spock and McCoy both question Kirk's fitness

KIRK: I can't help how I feel. There's an intelligence about it, Bones. A malevolence. It's evil. It must be destroyed.
MCCOY: To be so obsessed.
KIRK: Obsessed?
MCCOY: That you could destroy yourself, your career, a young boy who reminds you of yourself eleven years ago.
KIRK: Don't push our friendship past the point where I have to take official
MCCOY: I'm not, Jim. This is professional, Captain. I am preparing a medical log entry on my estimation of the physical and emotional condition of a starship captain. Which requires a witness of command grade.
(McCoy goes to the door and opens it to admit Spock.)
KIRK: Do I take it, Doctor, Commander, that both of you or either of you consider me unfit or incapacitated?
SPOCK: Correctly phrased, Captain. As recommended in the manual. Our reply, also as recommended, is, sir, we have noted in your recent behaviour certain items, which, on the surface, seem unusual. We respectfully ask permission to inquire further

Of course it was episodic TV, so no there was no foreshadowing. Stories were done in one. But if we treat these characters as real, then both incidents will inform who Kirk is.

 

[Trekker4747]

I think people are overreacting about the name change. The captain probably didn’t demand that she change her name since that wouldn’t be allowed. He probably requested that she did and she reluctantly agreed.

Given the demeanor we seen of Shaw I doubt it was a friendly, informal, request. He demanded it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, he probably made it a prerequisite of her serving as First Officer on his ship. "If you serve on my ship I don't want to hear that Borg number being spouted. The Borg were our mortal enemy until fairly recently so you're Commander Annika Hansen."

And it could have gotten even ruder than that.

 

[fireproof78]

Of course it was episodic TV, so no there was no foreshadowing. Stories were done in one. But if we treat these characters as real, then both incidents will inform who Kirk is.

A man who needs his pain.

 

[SJGardner]

Given the demeanor we seen of Shaw I doubt it was a friendly, informal, request. He demanded it.

To give him the benefit of the doubt, it might have been an informal request but still one where he explicitly declared that it's because Borg designations make him uncomfortable or even that he is personally offended by them.