Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x01 - "The Next Generation"

[CorporalClegg]

REVENGE FOR "TATV..."



THIS DAY HAS LONG BEEN AWAITED.

Though this could be the perfect opportunity to right a two-decade-long wrong:

"Will, didn't you used to have a holodeck program of one of the NX's missions?"

"Yeah. But I rewrote it so that Trip dies in the end."

"Why?"

"Why not?" :Laughs in chair-back leg lift.:

 

[StewMc]

Technically it was a thing, John Eaves just misunderstood why it was a requirement.

There's a piece of his DSC Enterprise concept art that mentions something isn't 25% different enough written on it in red ink, presumably from his supervisor.

CBS owned all the designs at the time, they just chose not to use them.

Yeah, sorry, that’s what I was getting at, it wasn’t a thing in terms of it wasn’t some sort of legal requirement, just a choice as you say. Presumably just like it’s also a choice by the higher ups not to include Lower Decks ships in PIC.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Terry Matalas confirms Frontier Day honors Enterprise NX-01 and the historic role she played in the early days of Starfleet and human cooperation with other species in the founding of the Federation.

I hope we get to see the old NX-01. Miss the old girl. Maybe they'll take her out.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Can we think of any other Borg that prefers their slave name to their birth name?

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Your laying it on a bit thick with the Roots reference and I don't think Borg assimilation is comparable to African enslavement at all. Africans were not transformed mind-and-body into non-sentient humanoids with no individual agency. That's why they resisted their enslavement for centuries.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Your laying it on a bit thick with the Roots reference and I don't think Borg assimilation is comparable to African enslavement at all. Africans were not transformed mind-and-body into non-sentient humanoids with no individual agency. That's why they resisted their enslavement for centuries.

Seven is being denied her name of choice, just like Geordie.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Your laying it on a bit thick with the Roots reference and I don't think Borg assimilation is comparable to African enslavement at all. Africans were not transformed mind-and-body into non-sentient humanoids with no individual agency. That's why they resisted their enslavement for centuries.

He does have a point. The borg of sevens time slaughtered millions and destroyed whole worlds. Keeping that name is a reminder of the borg who murdered and assimilated countless civilizations. Shaw may have bee harmed by the borg and doesn't want the reminder.

 

[plynch]

Nope. All that matters is one individual feels bad. She should say she doesn’t feel safe because of it. Common good be hanged.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Seven is being denied her name of choice, just like Geordie.

Well her whole sense of individuality is being denied, and I get the sense that when you're assimilated, you're consciousness is shoved aside for the Borg's collective consciousness. So it's not like your being forced to accept a new name as much as the person you were is gone, so whatever you called yourself or want to call yourself is a moot point. You're a thing now, so you're given a numerical designation. As to why Seven chooses to still identify as Seven, I can only surmise she still harbors some resentment toward her parents for thinking they could safely study the Borg, but I have no way of knowing that for sure.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Well her whole sense of individuality is being denied, and I get the sense that when you're assimilated, you're consciousness is shoved aside for the Borg's collective consciousness. So it's not like your being forced to accept a new name as much as the person you were is gone, so whatever you called yourself or want to call yourself is a moot point. You're a thing now, so you're given a numerical designation. As to why Seven chooses to still identify as Seven, I can only surmise she still harbors some resentment toward her parents for thinking they could safely study the Borg, but I have no way of knowing that for sure.

She still identified with the borg during voyager and obviously still does. She still likes the structure the borg gave her. The name thing is being overblown though.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The name thing is being overblown though.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well her whole sense of individuality is being denied, and I get the sense that when you're assimilated, you're consciousness is shoved aside for the Borg's collective consciousness. So it's not like your being forced to accept a new name as much as the person you were is gone, so whatever you called yourself or want to call yourself is a moot point. You're a thing now, so you're given a numerical designation. As to why Seven chooses to still identify as Seven, I can only surmise she still harbors some resentment toward her parents for thinking they could safely study the Borg, but I have no way of knowing that for sure.

Shaw is denying her Borg Designation.

We are talking about Shaw taking her name away, not the Borg.

I think he should have or at least let her know that shes a fucking dolt to keep her Borg name while surrounded by Borg victims.

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah. I agree. My big problem is that she's taking time away from the better tng characters.

She’s doing no such thing.

 

[Trekker4747]

Crusher: "Divert all power to the warp core!"

Umm......

 

[JoseNoodles]

Shaw is denying her Borg Designation.

We are talking about Shaw taking her name away, not the Borg.

I think he should have or at least let her know that shes a fucking dolt to keep her Borg name while surrounded by Borg victims.

If you're referring to Shaw's actions, then yes, I agree with you. It's not really up to Shaw or anyone else to compel a person to change their name, even if it might remind others of something bad.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Shaw is denying her Borg Designation.

We are talking about Shaw taking her name away, not the Borg.

I think he should have or at least let her know that shes a fucking dolt to keep her Borg name while surrounded by Borg victims.

The Borg issue turns out to have been a lot more complicated than "enslave and victimize." As we saw with the Cooperative and Agnes, some people REALLY like being part of a hive mind. Seven grew up in it and appreciated the transhumanism.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

With 2 admirals backing her up, plus her Borg "knowledge", she might have been able to skip a bit, if not all of the Academy.

A full stint is usually 4 years, but we know of many instances where people got field commissions early or were able to finish sooner.
Examples are Not who ended the show as a Lieutenant less than 4 years after entering the academy and Alternate Kirk who finished his Academy run regularly in just 3 years (but was almost immediately granted Captain rank due to saving the Federation and Earth.

i can easily see Seven putting Kirk to shame in her ability to pass exams and whatnot with flying colors in record time.
She definitely would have been fast tracked to command and repeated her excellency at every turn.
The part that would be challenging for her is the social component, but she caught up on that during the last 20 years at least a little.

Shaw is denying her Borg Designation.

We are talking about Shaw taking her name away, not the Borg.

I think he should have or at least let her know that shes a fucking dolt to keep her Borg name while surrounded by Borg victims.

if that is Shaw’s view he is utterly failing to grasp that every xB is as much of not more a victim of the Collective than anyone merely being killed by them.

But as a by the book boring career officer who does not do the exciting things he mocks Picard and Riker for, he never was possessed, body switched, salamander de-evolved not assimilated, so would not know.
Hell, he probably never even time traveled or got a Q visit before.
How he is not captain of a Cali-class is beyond me. XD

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Crusher: "Divert all power to the warp core!"

Umm......

Dammit, Jean-Luc, I’m a doctor, not an engineer, though I do dabble as a commando on occasion.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I believe Klingons are due to turn up in the second season of SNW.

And no, they won't be the monstrous DSC Klingons. More like the ones we're used to.

Grease paint and glued on facial hair?

 

[Nerys Myk]

"Some real world-ending shit".
- this is an actual line of dialogue in this episode (by undercover Raffi).

And the problem is?

Raffi investigating a Starfleet conspiracy - again

Has Starfleet or someone in Starfleet been tied to the Daystrom tech theft? Miss it if they were.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hes, he also treated people who actually saved the universe multiple times with complete disrespect and is chronically insubordinate

It's his ship and they were running a con on him.

No Starfleet captain should be that hands off and the fact his ship was stolen out from under him is a sign he's incompetent.

Have you never watched Star Trek? Kirk's ship has been stolen by

1. His First officer (twice)
2. Hippies
3. Children
4. Androids
5. Kelvans
6. Himself
7. Two cult leaders
8. And probably someone I forgot.