...I cannot fault this choice. I will not.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x01 - "The Next Generation"
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The banter between P and Riker was nice, if a little buddy cop movie-ish.
It is odd Styles is so jerkish to really decorated dudes like JL and Will. I was a little more in his favor before bc they were so obviously scamming him, but starting dinner early is just so wude.
Maybe bump me to a 5. I never change votes, so twice on this thread, now I’m done. It just seemed so retread-y, not just Star Trek call outs, but I’ve seen every thing too many times in films/shows.
May I add, I don’t like Raffi, but as I’ve said, I appreciate her and am glad she’s in the show. Too many nice guys (ahem, TNG) makes a dull cast. What I wanted to add — I hoped she had relapsed. But then would be helped back to recovery by her friends. B/c y’know, life. People relapse. Our heroes can be unheroes sometimes. Maybe earlier Burnham kind of.
Y’know, after PIC, DSC in its many incarnations is maybe growing on me. Man I wish S2 hadn’t had the meanie showrunners get fired, it was really gonna be something. So it goes. We still got nuSpock and Pike out of it, so win.
It is odd Styles is so jerkish to really decorated dudes like JL and Will. I was a little more in his favor before bc they were so obviously scamming him, but starting dinner early is just so wude.
Maybe bump me to a 5. I never change votes, so twice on this thread, now I’m done. It just seemed so retread-y, not just Star Trek call outs, but I’ve seen every thing too many times in films/shows.
May I add, I don’t like Raffi, but as I’ve said, I appreciate her and am glad she’s in the show. Too many nice guys (ahem, TNG) makes a dull cast. What I wanted to add — I hoped she had relapsed. But then would be helped back to recovery by her friends. B/c y’know, life. People relapse. Our heroes can be unheroes sometimes. Maybe earlier Burnham kind of.
Y’know, after PIC, DSC in its many incarnations is maybe growing on me. Man I wish S2 hadn’t had the meanie showrunners get fired, it was really gonna be something. So it goes. We still got nuSpock and Pike out of it, so win.
I feel like it was a missed opportunity that Picard & Riker didn't try to charter a ship.
Would definitely have felt like a TOS movie then.
Would definitely have felt like a TOS movie then.
Paramount probably owns the characters, not him. I don't think they'd make a deal where hed's keep ownership.
They're not in this season because it would just be way too many characters to keep track of, and probably expensive.
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I think folks are missing the fact that Seven has been Captain Shaw's First Officer for some time before we join the story.
She has most likely already shown to him that she is loyal and a good Star Fleet Officer or he would have already asked for her to be transferred to another post.
(his dislike for Borg not withstanding)
He probably didn't call into question her loyalty to the ship until Picard & Riker showed up.
He has to have known and seen the official reports that dealt with their past dealings together and that is why his disdain kicked in.
He's internally contemplating whether or not her loyalty to them is greater than to him.
A valid question that proved to be correct.
She has most likely already shown to him that she is loyal and a good Star Fleet Officer or he would have already asked for her to be transferred to another post.
(his dislike for Borg not withstanding)
He probably didn't call into question her loyalty to the ship until Picard & Riker showed up.
He has to have known and seen the official reports that dealt with their past dealings together and that is why his disdain kicked in.
He's internally contemplating whether or not her loyalty to them is greater than to him.
A valid question that proved to be correct.
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Re. Chabon: In the old tv writers’ guild days, that was the case. Hence T’Pau becoming T’Pol and Robbie McNeil’s brassy character from TNG changed to Tom Paris, though essentially the same character. So original writer who created the character wouldn’t get residuals. This is from memory, so someone w sources, feel free to correct. Chabon as a show creator or showrunner, would not though, if the characters were part of the original show premise. These might be out of date rules, though.
Perhaps too "cowboy diplomacy " for his liking.
Re: the prospect of someone seeking to prevent Mr. Chabon from getting residuals, hence the absence of Elnor, Soji and Laris...
Yes, it really would.
These notions that the current team behind trek, are some how evil, machivellian schemers out to do harm and rip people off is bizarre and unhealthy.
Chabon would probably still get residuals given that he was one of the creators of the series. Also the series is still using Raffi and Laris so he'd get residuals from those characters regardless of much or little they are used.
The simple truth is that Matalas wanted all of the TNG crew cast back. Bringing on board Todd Stashwick and Ed Speelers would not have been cheap either. There was no room in the budget or in the story matalas envisioned for any of the original Picard characters other than Raffi and Laris.
Yeah, Chabon has nothing to do with Rafi...oh, wait...Re: the prospect of someone seeking to prevent Mr. Chabon from getting residuals, hence the absence of Elnor, Soji and Laris...
Yes, it really would.
They may have 10 hours, but they have all the original TNG characters they want to devote story time to, so those characters dropped are extraneous to that aspect.
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Sometimes its the only way to reconcile decisions we don't necessarily agree with with this cognitive dissonance.
This Variety article has this explanation for the bridge lighting:
I had some issues with contrast when I watched the episode. Perhaps it will look better when I rewatch with a proper HDR setup.
The Instagram log for Crusher specifically mentions the year heading Starfleet Medical, which makes it more likely to me to mean that that absence will be relevant this season. I'd expect to get clarification one way or another in the next episode or two.
To me, Shaw forcing Seven of Nine to answer to a name she never really had for most of her life and has trouble identifying with would be the equivalent of Picard having forced Worf to answer to "Lt. Rozhenko" aboard the Enterprise (since, arguably, Rozhenko is Worf's adopted last name given that Alexander carries it).
It's a level of personal insensitivity that you would expect a progressive society like the Federation to not allow among their officials and organizations.
Also, the Borg (or at least a segment of the Borg), are members of the Federation now, guarding the portal in space that opened at the end of season 2. So the idea that Borg designations aren't real names doesn't fly, since if the Borg are Federation members their "culture" and the norms of that culture would be just as valid as any others.
It's a level of personal insensitivity that you would expect a progressive society like the Federation to not allow among their officials and organizations.
Also, the Borg (or at least a segment of the Borg), are members of the Federation now, guarding the portal in space that opened at the end of season 2. So the idea that Borg designations aren't real names doesn't fly, since if the Borg are Federation members their "culture" and the norms of that culture would be just as valid as any others.
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BEVERLY: He’s my son.
WILL: Well, I’ll be! Sorry, Wesley- it’s just that you look so different after your time with the Traveler.
WILL: Well, I’ll be! Sorry, Wesley- it’s just that you look so different after your time with the Traveler.
Every family that used to be a Hitler, changed their name in the 1940s.
Her name is a ptsd trigger.
Seven of Nine wasn't the leader of the Borg. She was just a tertiary adjunct.
I loved 12 Monkeys, so I knew Stashwick would be good here, but the sheer hatred shown for him here shows he's doing his job well!As @Tallguy pointed out, Shaw is a bit of a characiture now, but I expect that we'll find out more about why he acted like this later. Watching Frakes try to fit on that bunk bed was funny though.
Shaw strikes me as a very solid, reliable captain (They wouldn't have given him a ship with a legacy if Stafleet didn't find him competent). Its also hinted in the 5 years since he took command of his ship he's kept them safe, likely without much in the way of casualties or issues. Unlike Picard, Riker or Seven he obviously follows orders and enjoys the structure of ship/starfleet life.
To Shaw, Riker and Picard are rogue elements, to him Picard likely is his own version of a Badmiral, especially when he tries to take his ship to god knows where, using the Titan's old captain to try and do so.
I mean, Shaw quite literally lists half of the things Picard and Riker got up to during the TNG days and it's an utter disaster when listed. Between them they destroyed the Enterprise D, embarked in numerous escapades that were against orders, disobeyed orders on multiple occassions and nearly sparked several border conflicts and wars through their actions.
Anywhere else, they'd have been drummed out even if "their heart was in the right place". Instead, one was promoted to Admiral and gets hero-worshipped and the other got command of his own ship and also enjoys hero worship, even if he never made the Admiralty.
It's way better done on screen and in character/in universe than Admiral Clancy spitting out "Sheer fucking hubris" at him in a scene which lasts under 3 minutes in which she doesn't do any real dialogue rather than "OMG WE SWEAR IN TREK NOW!" like in Season 1.
Except ... only in the sense of being subsumed into a collective mind against one's will.
It's been pretty explicit for decades that an individual assimilated into the Borg is the equivalent of a rape victim.
