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I think they were going to do more with Elnor's relationship with Seven aboard the Artifact, but it got cut for time. The fate of the Artifact was the weakest part of S1.

I was really looking forward to seeing Elnor get more development in S2. Particularly I was looking forward to seeing him relate to Soji -- how would they see each other? Rivals? Friends? Romantic partners? I do like the idea that Elnor becomes the first Romulan in Starfleet, but I get the strong impression Terry Matalas and Akiva Goldsmith just didn't know what to do with him in S2 but needed to include him in a certain number of episodes because they signed a contract with Evan. Evan's been getting steady work so I don't think it's a matter of his acting talent.

Elnor was explicitly set up as a boy who idolized Jean-Luc and saw him as some sort of absentee father figure, since he was an orphan otherwise surrounded by women. That was a fascinating dynamic, and one the show completely and totally dropped midway through the first season, purposefully splitting him from Jean Luc before any further work could be done with the relationship.

Then in season 2 they paired him up with Raffi of all people, with whom he somehow developed a close relationship off-camera. Totally nonsensical.
 
So Riker mentioned that Deanna and Kestra would appreciate the time away from him meaning there is some drama going on in the Riker family. At first I thought that maybe the two were separated or that maybe Thad's death affected them especially as Kestra got older.

That's what I thought, though a humorous thought is: "Dad, you're cooking pizzas EVERY DAY. Mom and I would like some salads or even a bunnicorn burger every so often. She thinks you should go on vacation and rethink your cooking habits."
 
So Riker mentioned that Deanna and Kestra would appreciate the time away from him meaning there is some drama going on in the Riker family. At first I thought that maybe the two were separated or that maybe Thad's death affected them especially as Kestra got older.

I dunno. They all seemed like they had come to some terms with Thad's death in S1. Whatever's going on, I think it's something new. Though honestly, I have trouble imagining Will Riker being the kind of guy who would alienate his wife and daughter.

Elnor was explicitly set up as a boy who idolized Jean-Luc and saw him as some sort of absentee father figure, since he was an orphan otherwise surrounded by women. That was a fascinating dynamic, and one the show completely and totally dropped midway through the first season, purposefully splitting him from Jean Luc before any further work could be done with the relationship.

Then in season 2 they paired him up with Raffi of all people, with whom he somehow developed a close relationship off-camera. Totally nonsensical.

Yeah, they dropped the ball with Elnor in S1. I would have been okay with it if they had better developed him in S2 (plenty of characters on plenty of shows really come into their own in a later season after not getting as much attention in the first season), but then they not only dropped the ball but intentionally threw it out the window.

Perhaps Deanna wasn't all that happy with Will going back into Star Fleet even on a reserve status.
I think he obviously missed it and decided to go back full time which made his wife more than annoyed and they had a bit of a falling out.

Honestly I have trouble seeing Will Riker as the kind of guy who would put Starfleet before his family.
 
To me the weirdest aspect by far is Elnor. He had an entire episode dedicated to his introduction, and then had essentially no use in the rest of Season 1. And when they did use him, he just made no sense! Like Picard explicitly told him not to kill again without his permission, and he kills again without his permission, and suffers no consequence from it. Then gets shunted off into the B-movie schlock sideplot involving Seven and Hugh.

My guess is after casting Elnor they realized the actor didn't have the chops for whatever they intended, because just having him sit around and look pretty for two seasons just made no effin sense.
I watched season 2 during its final two weeks of airing, and only saw season 1 last month. Once I saw it, I realized why they tried to make Laris a regular in season 2 (she was supposed to come back in time with them, but executive interference led to the creation of the look alike Tallinn). They really should have just had Laris come on the mission with Picard when he set out instead of the Elnor detour.

And did anyone think the Red Lady was going to be Burnham....I did for a second LOL.
Haha, the one scene they held back from Robert Meyer Burnett that turns the season into a "These Are the Voyages" in the 32nd century...
 
Honestly I have trouble seeing Will Riker as the kind of guy who would put Starfleet before his family.

Again, it might actually be Tom Riker, not Will, in which case the sudden personality change due to being a different person may have alienated him from his "family."

Yeah, I know Tom had the hots for Deanna too, but he doesn't actually know how to live with the grown-up Troi.
 
I watched season 2 during its final two weeks of airing, and only saw season 1 last month. Once I saw it, I realized why they tried to make Laris a regular in season 2 (she was supposed to come back in time with them, but executive interference led to the creation of the look alike Tallinn).

What?!? This makes no sense at all.
 
I think they were going to do more with Elnor's relationship with Seven aboard the Artifact, but it got cut for time. The fate of the Artifact was the weakest part of S1.

Exactly! The moment when Seven activated the Borg was so great but then...they just killed them off and crashed the ship one episode later. You don't spent so much money on a giant CG Borg cube just to do that. They clearly had a bigger story in mind. Same with the copy-and-paste fleet.
 
Honestly I have trouble seeing Will Riker as the kind of guy who would put Starfleet before his family.
He probably felt that going back without asking for a starship command would at least let him keep a foot in the door.
Promising Deanna that he wouldn't be out galivanting around the galaxy.
She knew better.
And look where he is now.
 
I watched season 2 during its final two weeks of airing, and only saw season 1 last month. Once I saw it, I realized why they tried to make Laris a regular in season 2 (she was supposed to come back in time with them, but executive interference led to the creation of the look alike Tallinn). They really should have just had Laris come on the mission with Picard when he set out!

Why would studio executives care if Laris goes back in time with them?

Again, it might actually be Tom Riker, not Will, in which case the sudden personality change due to being a different person may have alienated him from his "family."

Yeah, I know Tom had the hots for Deanna too, but he doesn't actually know how to live with the grown-up Troi.

Well, that's a possibility, but then between Tom Riker and Lore, I think PIC S3 starts to come uncomfortably close to the plot and themes of Nemesis if that speculation is accurate...

Exactly! The moment when Seven activated the Borg was so great but then...they just killed them off and crashed the ship one episode later. You don't spent so much money on a giant CG Borg cube just to do that. They clearly had a bigger story in mind. Same with the copy-and-paste fleet.

Yeah, the Artifact was not well-integrated into the season finale. But I'm sorry -- I just absolutely do not care about the fleet. It absolutely does not matter if they're all the same class of ship or not, it has no impact on the plot, characterization, or thematic concerns. It's not even particularly implausible, if the class is faster than the others and the planet is supposed to be so far outside of Federation space.

Plus, as I understand it, the visual effects for "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part II" were being finished up as COVID-19 hit, and the VFX team were working from home. If that impacted their production capabilities, I think we should all give them the grace of accepting that using all ships of the same class might have been the best the VFX team could do under such extraordinary circumstances and suspend our disbelief there.

Some of the effects shots of the Titan (especially right after leaving the dock) kinda made me miss practical effects using ship models because for all of the technology, computing power, whatever of today... It looked extremely fake and rendered to me.

Discovery and Picard have both made a choice in their stylization of starship exteriors to give them this sort of soft-focus, colorful, almost painterly look, instead of the sort of stark-contrast shots we're used to seeing. I get what they're going for and I appreciate that they have the creative freedom not to be bound by the creative conceits of earlier shows, but this is one stylization choice I subjectively don't like and wish they wouldn't use. It's not a huge deal though.
 
I believe this choice was made for two reasons:
  1. Matalas has made it clear he wants to have all of the characters start the series in very different places than where we last saw them. Riker is apparently the sole exception - he's basically the same guy - but everyone else is supposed to have been visibly changed by 20 years. So Bev goes from nice lady doctor to Sarah Conner.
  2. A big criticism of TNG that has occurred in retrospect is how it kept to dated tropes where Bev and Deanna were helpless damsels in distress. Like both of the actresses had experience with fencing - and Gates had experience with martial arts - yet they wouldn't let them pick up a sword or do anything more physical than breaking flowerpots over heads.
It says a lot about our culture that the go-to inverse of damsel in distress is unfettered gun play and not, say, using one's brain to solve a problem.

I think you are being too harsh. Bev was clearly acting in self-defense to protect herself and her son against hostile aliens boarding her ship. Doctors are allowed to use force in self-defense. The Hippocratic oath is about doing no harm to patients, I don't think it applies to self-defense.
While most modern military doctors (at least in the US military) do take basic weapons training and carry fire arms while in the field, they do not have to, and they're protected from any prosecution for dereliction under the Geneva Convention.

There really isn't a Hippocratic Oath as such, and hasn't been since the post-war era. It's just a catch-all for all the various oaths of schools around the world doctors take. But all of those modern oaths include (implied if not directly stated) at utmost respect and consideration for all life as outlined by those articles of Geneva.

And we've had plenty of times in every single Star Trek series since TOS where the characters had to shoot back in self-defense when being attacked by hostile aliens. That is perfectly in line with Star Trek. To say it is not Star Trek is silly. Star Trek is not pacifism.
And in each of those events, violence was the very last resort, And in those times that it wasn't, it became the ethical focal point of the episode. But in how many of those instances was it the doctor? Sure, Phlox is a mass murder, but that's beside the point. Even Julian took to objecting to violence in several different episodes.

But none of this really matters because you too chose to ignore that part where my objection is really of the writers choosing to put her in this position to begin with, which, say whatever else about the rightness or wrongness, is just such a tired and trite plot device.

Beverly was fighting to protect herself and her son from injury or death. I'd point-blank vaporize hostile, armed aliens, too, if I and my child were having our ship boarded.
No you wouldn't. You'd freeze in place, piss your pants in terror, and grab your kid and run. Just like everyone else.
 
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