Regarding "THE APPLE", you forget that the Enterprise was in danger. If Vaal wasn't stopped, she would have been destroyed.
So it wasn't just because Spock was in danger and that culture was stagnant for 10,000 years.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Regarding "THE APPLE", you forget that the Enterprise was in danger. If Vaal wasn't stopped, she would have been destroyed.
So it wasn't just because Spock was in danger and that culture was stagnant for 10,000 years.
Movie era Kirk never messed with the PD OR had a love interest every movie. Wow, the films really let us down!
Oh, I don't think I defended Rascals! If we're going to have a problem with every time there is a dumb bad guy who shouldn't be able to take over the Enterprise we're going to get rid of a lot of episodes. Even Khan shouldn't have been able to take over the Enterprise! Kirk shouldn't have been able to steal it either. Go with it.
Rascals is a delight because all of the performances are terrific. (Even the Ferengi aren't that bad, are they? There had been and would be a lot worse.) The children are note perfect. The adults that play off of them are wonderful. It's got Ro and Guinan. It has Picard checking his hair when he's brought back to normal. It's got Picard and Riker.
How do people not love this episode? It's not Best of Both Worlds but it's not... Well, most of season 1.
Kirk did have some "love interests" in four of the movies, though. STII:TWOK (Carol Marcus); STIV:TVH (Gillian Taylor); and STVI:TUC (the shape changer Martia).
Add on ST: GEN (nexus flashback Antonia, at least we learn of her and hear her...) for one more. 
Kirk did have some "love interests" in four of the movies, though. STII:TWOK (Carol Marcus); STIV:TVH (Gillian Taylor); and STVI:TUC (the shape changer Martia).
I would say the only real potential love interest was Gillian.
With Carol they were basically just talking about the past and the agreement of him staying away.
Martia was trying to get him killed, and he was hardly going after her. (Though he didn't exactly pull away when she kissed Kirk.)
Antonia in GENERATIONS was only a reference to a new person we never heard of before nor again.
Kirk and Carol seemed very friendly and relaxed with each other at the end of the movie; plus Kirk says he feels young <hmm>. <Conjecture: Based on the Chazz Reinhold lessons in the Wedding Crashers, I think Kirk got some "consoling" from Carol after Spock's funeral.
>Danger never deters Kirk, besides, he didn't know that she was trying to get him killed at the time.
Kirk:...the enormous danger potential in any contact with life and intelligence as fantastically advanced as this. But I must point out that the possibilities, the potential for knowledge and advancement is equally great. Risk. Risk is our business. (Return to Tomorrow) 
That's kind of the punch line, isn't it? He was never in that race.
I'm enough of a McIntyre fanboy to reject that out of hand.Kirk and Carol seemed very friendly and relaxed with each other at the end of the movie; plus Kirk says he feels young <hmm>. <Conjecture: Based on the Chazz Reinhold lessons in the Wedding Crashers, I think Kirk got some "consoling" from Carol after Spock's funeral.
I'm not saying Kirk wasn't justified. But if a mother bear defending her cub attacks you, and you kill her in self defense, you were certainly justified in your action... but the orphaned cub still starves.
Again, Kirk was justified in retrieving the purloined gray matter. But the complex still shuts down, the women are still forced out, and they almost certainly perish because they're not physically or emotionally prepared for a hunter-gatherer subsistence lifestyle. Justifiable actions still yield harmful consequences.
Multiple reasons. But if it's your thing, I'm happy for you. I think "Shades of Gray" is underrated.
The more I think on The Way To Eden, the more I can find to recommend it. It does have nice Chekov and Spock bits.
Ditto Turnabout Intruder. It's a great last gasp for Shatner.
Maybe my controversial opinion is that there are 0 truly bad episodes of TOS. I mean, of course some are worse than others, but at its worst it's still eminently watchable. If I ever marathoned it again there's no episodes I'd skip.
Ditto Turnabout Intruder. It's a great last gasp for Shatner.
Maybe my controversial opinion is that there are 0 truly bad episodes of TOS. I mean, of course some are worse than others, but at its worst it's still eminently watchable. If I ever marathoned it again there's no episodes I'd skip.
Kirk and Carol seemed very friendly and relaxed with each other at the end of the movie; plus Kirk says he feels young <hmm>. <Conjecture: Based on the Chazz Reinhold lessons in the Wedding Crashers, I think Kirk got some "consoling" from Carol after Spock's funeral.
Danger never deters Kirk, besides, he didn't know that she was trying to get him killed at the time.
Kirk:...the enormous danger potential in any contact with life and intelligence as fantastically advanced as this. But I must point out that the possibilities, the potential for knowledge and advancement is equally great. Risk. Risk is our business. (Return to Tomorrow)
Regarding Carol, I suppose that's possible. I'm going by what I see onscreen, and it is a possibility. But they did at least maintain some communication or friendship because he was the one in charge, overall, of the Genesis project.
Regarding Martia, Kirk is smart enough to know he was being played from the jump. I think he was playing along so he can have the best chance of getting off that world.
"Requiem for Methuselah" is Chef's Kiss for me. It's a slow, well-paced mystery story that's about ideas and the only effects are Flint's personal defense robots and the Enterprise being miniaturized to desktop size. TOS went out on some clunky or bad episodes but that was not one of them.
Love it.
The conceit, the actor, the noble music. The Reyna stuff is a bit lame in my opinion. The Spock “forget” scene is very humane, including the captain just tired out. So often from S2 on they are kind of superpeople and things don’t affect them. If Spock was wrong to wipe that pain, then it shows him not always being right. Either way it shows him caring both emotionally and actively for his friend.
The conceit, the actor, the noble music. The Reyna stuff is a bit lame in my opinion. The Spock “forget” scene is very humane, including the captain just tired out. So often from S2 on they are kind of superpeople and things don’t affect them. If Spock was wrong to wipe that pain, then it shows him not always being right. Either way it shows him caring both emotionally and actively for his friend.
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Unless somebody else cares for the cub.
Is there any evidence that Kirk just left Vaal's former followers alone to starve? For all we know they left advisors and scientists on the planet to help the natives care for themselves.
Seeing as how Kirk had Starfleet send cultural advisors to both Miri's Planet and Beta III after Landru's control over that planet ended the Prime Directive regarding pre-warp humanoid societies must be a lot looser and more flexible in the TOS Era.
In both episodes, Kirk says idly "we'll help you" or "with our help", but then the Enterprise presumably departs immediately. Teaching people to care for themselves takes months, not hours. So again, another ship would need to swoop in and clean up Kirk's mess.
Killing the mama bear takes very little time. Caring for the cub until it can survive on its own will take a lot.
Killing the mama bear takes very little time. Caring for the cub until it can survive on its own will take a lot.
It could be argued that involvement was okay because there had already been unnatural influences on the development, or perhaps I should say lack of development, of those cultures. And then there was Organia, by all appearances a completely stagnant culture with no possibility of advancing on its own. In the face of inevitable Klingon involvement, Kirk offered education, infrastructure and more from the Federation.
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With Beta III the involvement of the U.S.S. Archon in 2167 could well be the loophole. "We contributed to this mess so we'll help clean it up. Besides, they already have advanced ancient technology so they're not exactly living in a version of the Stone Age."
I would think that the Federation would almost be obligated to clean up its own messes. In "Time and Again", Janeway was initially adamant that she intended to let the planet die because it was "supposed" to die (
). But once she had reason to believe the Federation had caused the catastrophe, she changed her tune completely. I can assume that the physical Prime Directive matches the temporal.
I'm surprised there was even a problem in SNW Ep. 1,
). But once she had reason to believe the Federation had caused the catastrophe, she changed her tune completely. I can assume that the physical Prime Directive matches the temporal.I'm surprised there was even a problem in SNW Ep. 1,
given that Pike was only trying to fix a problem that the Federation itself inadvertently caused.
It’s borderline for me. I try to approach it as an artefact of its time and an example of the way we thankfully don’t create entertainment anymore.
The regulars are really starting to gel and there’s a feeling of them leaning a bit harder into their roles when they have a larger than life guest star to bounce off.
It’s nasty for the reason you said, but it’s 45 minutes over and done and educational in terms of how attitudes have changed.
Spock’s Brain is better.
Yeah there are numerous examples that support this. Capella IV and Neural, where contact was made with rather primitive societies (even negotiating mining rights on the former). Sigma Iotia II sort of counts, but I suppose that one can be argued away since Horizon already contaminated that planet. Others were prewarp, but spacefaring (Eminar/Vendikar and Ekos/Zeon), so those may have been acceptable to contact at the time.
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