Spoilers The Mandalorian Season 3
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Nice catch by someone. That Poe jacket is from "The Last Jedi."
People who didn't watch The Book of Boba Fett are gonna be so confused by this trailer.
Beyond excited for this! Mandalore looks so cool!
Yes I know we saw it in Rebels but seeing it in live action, just wow!
Yes I know we saw it in Rebels but seeing it in live action, just wow!
Well it's not like we haven't seen it in live action before . . . granted most of it was exploding at that time, but that's Mandalore for you! 
Legal according to who? The senior rebel leadership (who remembered and were present when it happened) believed that Palpatine illegally usurped control of the Galactic Republic. In their eyes the Empire has no legal legitimacy.
I get where CC is going, though. The Galactic Empire was the sole legal authority in regions of space and systems where the Rebellion was launching attacks against Imperial interests. By the strictest definition the Rebels WERE criminals.
But as we all know, not every criminal offense is worthy of punishment and lots of authorities are awful, tyrannical people.
But as we all know, not every criminal offense is worthy of punishment and lots of authorities are awful, tyrannical people.
I'm sure you can figure that out.
Criminal is a legal designation, not a moral one, involving a distinction between legal and illegal behavior, not between right and wrong.
The correlations between legal and right and between illegal and wrong are indications of how corrupt the legal authority is. That's also fairly self-evident.
The only kind of legal authority that has any real meaning is the kind that it willing and able to enforce it's laws. That's all there is to it. It's a power structure; nothing more, nothing less, and as such morality doesn't enter into it.
So yeah, by sheer definition the Rebels were all criminals. You'd be hard pressed to find any rebellions in history that at the time were considered "lawful" in any meaningful way. And if you can, that just means they weren't doing it right.
So yeah, by sheer definition the Rebels were all criminals. You'd be hard pressed to find any rebellions in history that at the time were considered "lawful" in any meaningful way. And if you can, that just means they weren't doing it right.
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The Holocaust was "legal".
The British had the legal permission to hang the American Revolutionary leaders. I'm glad they didn't, but the British were in charge of the American Colonies at the time of the Revolution and according to their legal code treason against the Crown was punishable by death.
And of course the flip side of all of this is that once the Rebel Alliance became the New Republic, suddenly it's all the Imperial Grand Moffs, Governors, Grand Admirals, and their collaborators (formerly known as "Loyal And Law Abiding Imperial Citizens") who were suddenly the wanted criminals, all without any notable change to their behaviour and sense of morality. The wheel turns, does it not?
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Palpatine took advantage of a slow-moving and ineffectual judiciary, a body of lawmakers he could manipulate, and grievances and ambitions he could stoke to create the Separatist movement. The institutions that could impeach him were firmly under his control, and anyway evidence that might expose his treasonous duplicity never saw the light of day to be heard in the Senate. He drove the Republic right off the cliff with the willing support of all government institutions*. Those who saw through Palpatine lacked the power, support, and authority to turn things around.
* - The sole exception were the Jedi, but Order 66 took care of them and painted them as traitors, thanks to Mace loosing his cool and trying to summarily execute the Supreme Chancellor.
I've always regarded the political machinations as one of the best aspects of the PT. Even first run the issues being raised eerily paralleled what was happening IRL.
* - The sole exception were the Jedi, but Order 66 took care of them and painted them as traitors, thanks to Mace loosing his cool and trying to summarily execute the Supreme Chancellor.
I've always regarded the political machinations as one of the best aspects of the PT. Even first run the issues being raised eerily paralleled what was happening IRL.
Highlights of the Empire interview with Dave and John
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLe...avreau_filoni_on_grogu_leaving_with_luke_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLe...avreau_filoni_on_grogu_leaving_with_luke_and/
Interesting. A very Tolkien-esque approach by these two in developing those ideas. I might not agree with all the little character inserts but I appreciate their follow through on their ideas.
It's also how George basically did it. If you read through how the various drafts of what would become ANH evolved, it's pretty clear he never really had a particular story in mind. He had certain ideas that he found interesting, certain images he wanted to portray in some way, but mostly he was building a world for the story to inhabit. His approach to tESB & RotJ wasn't much different, other than having more an end goal in mind and certain beats that needed to be hit along the way. Other than that, the story development was quite fluid.
Yes, which makes what we got after ROTJ all the more disappointing.
That was a case of being too fluid (and a paucity of any original ideas.) Basically George always started with the "big picture" stuff and worked down to the nuts and bolts of it. The ST just wanted to poach their favourite nuts and bolts from the old movies and pretended like a "mystery box" is any kind of substitute for a "big picture".
For 'The Mandalorian' it's a little different because they don't have to worry too much about the "big picture" since it's essentially a period piece featuring a bunch of random pegwarmers. Certain parameters have already been defined, they just need to find a way to tell some interesting stories within those (admittedly loose) constraits.
While I appreciate your candor, I was more referring to the films post ROTJ, including the PT and ST, and Rogue One, and such. There's a different feel, by its very nature, that I don't care for in the same way. I think that George, for all the other deficits I see, did as you say with the big picture, was able to utilize the skills of others to bring it to life. The rest looked back on it and used that as the framework to launch their vision, including in the PT. It's an interesting thing to unpack.
It's been my experience over the last few decades that most of the disappointment older fans had with the PT breaks down into two basic issues; 1) they weren't 8 years old anymore, and the new movies were still aimed at that age group, 2) they expected more of the same, and George just wasn't interested in repeating himself. Neither of these are inherent flaws.
As it turns out though, the older fans got exactly what they wanted from the prequels in the sequel trilogy. Which one can only characterise as "be careful what you wish for."
As it turns out though, the older fans got exactly what they wanted from the prequels in the sequel trilogy. Which one can only characterise as "be careful what you wish for."
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