The Emperor's sense of Whimsy?

[Guy Gardener]

There is no single "accident" that can turn the tide of a war *if it's being played from both sides*. The decks are stacked. The game is thoroughly rigged. Any "accidental" gains can be artificially hampered. The house always wins.

The closest they ever came (that we know of) was the incident with Tup and Fives.

So I say "What if something unexpected happens?"

And your reply, twice, is that "Nothing unexpected could happen."

Truly? "How can you expect the unexpected?"

When Dooku kidnapped Palpatine just before Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine should have been disempowered as the authoritative head of the Republican Senate. For an hour or two Palpatine's Deputy was acting Supreme Chancellor while a Separatist fleet was above Coruscant leveling cities, and murdering hundreds of millions of citizens... Or they all suck at their jobs.

The acting Supreme Councillor would have been considering surrender as the deathtoll mounted, especially if they did not know that Sheev controlled both sides of the war.

Did the Jedi know about Order 65?

It's from a novel printed in 2007, which means that it was canon until Disney bought Star Wars.

 

[Ithekro]

Closest wrench in the whole war was Maul's return, and Palpatine went out to Mandalor to deal with that personally.

 

[fireproof78]

Which is why I hate the Clone Wars. Palpatine is treated as a god king, like Ceasars or Pharoahs.

 

[Ithekro]

Palpatine is THE Big Bad for the Skywalker Saga, so he's going to be treated like he's very powerful and that he has schemes within schemes, or at least if very opportunistic when things fail. And things do fail. He just tends to have a way to cover his tracks and come up with an alternative plan in short order. When things go horribly wrong, he gets his hands dirty, but usually as the Chancelor, rather than as the Sith Lord. Maul was about the only time he went out to deal with a problem as Sidious personally.

 

[fireproof78]

He just tends to have a way to cover his tracks and come up with an alternative plan in short order.

Yes, with little issue. Which is a bit annoying. A bit of a perfect villain as it were.

 

[Ithekro]

When the ending in already told, one cannot undo the ending early just to make the villain lose when they won. All you can do is give the heroes a way they could have stopped the villain, if they have known, but fail to stop them because they didn't know.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Jedi could not see the future.

Could Palpatine see the future?

 

[fireproof78]

When the ending in already told, one cannot undo the ending early just to make the villain lose when they won. All you can do is give the heroes a way they could have stopped the villain, if they have known, but fail to stop them because they didn't know.

Or, have the villain almost loose sometimes. But, no. Palpatine, especially in the films, comes across as the perfect know it all. "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen." Indeed, Palps, indeed.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Which is why I hate the Clone Wars. Palpatine is treated as a god king, like Ceasars or Pharoahs.

Ever the problem with prequel concepts; for all of the "Palpatine is the ultimate--everything" as plastered in Clone Wars (and the PT), everyone knows his ultimate power moves / plan (luring Luke to the dark side / destroying the Alliance) would fail at the cost of his own life, so that made his seemingly God-like power / having everybody's number in the PT come off as the work of fanfic writers not aware of the larger story, or its "future".

The Jedi could not see the future.

Luke saw his friends in pain, which turned out to be an accurate vision of the future.

Could Palpatine see the future?

Where Luke was concerned...no. He was certain Luke would turn to the dark side and/or Vader would never turn on him. One might quote his earlier self and say his arrogance blinded him to the truth, or that he was not the master manipulator he believed himself to be.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ever the problem with prequel concepts; for all of the "Palpatine is the ultimate--everything" as plastered in Clone Wars (and the PT), everyone knows his ultimate power moves / plan (luring Luke to the dark side / destroying the Alliance) would fail at the cost of his own life, so that made his seemingly God-like power / having everybody's number in the PT come off as the work of fanfic writers not aware of the larger story, or its "future".



Luke saw his friends in pain, which turned out to be an accurate vision of the future.



Where Luke was concerned...no. He was certain Luke would turn to the dark side and/or Vader would never turn on him. One might quote his earlier self and say his arrogance blinded him to the truth, or that he was not the master manipulator he believed himself to be.

Dude, the prequels.

Seev's ability, or lack of ability to direct the war omnisciently.

Palpatine : Master Yoda. Do you really think it will come to war?
Yoda : The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is.

Could Palpatine see though the darkside cloud that was obscuring the future from the Jedi, or were both the Jedi and Sith equally blind to what was coming?

 

[Set Harth]

so that made his seemingly God-like power / having everybody's number in the PT come off as the work of fanfic writers not aware of the larger story, or its "future".

Even though it was the same writer.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Dude, the prequels.

Seev's ability, or lack of ability to direct the war omnisciently.



Could Palpatine see though the darkside cloud that was obscuring the future from the Jedi, or were both the Jedi and Sith equally blind to what was coming?

Palpatine's line:

"Do you really think it will come to war?"

...was the man playing Yoda. He knew war was coming, since he was the one who orchestrated the entire conflict. Asking Yoda that question only confirmed just how powerful he (Palpatine) was in that the Jedi--at that point in the story--could not receive visions about much. That's quite different than say, his inability to see the future where Luke was concerned, or how Luke was the prime motivator in Palpatine's death.

 

[Set Harth]

Palpatine didn't anticipate Maul's defeat at the hands of Kenobi, and he knowingly put himself in harm's way during ROTS. For example, the incident below could have gone a completely different way. It would just take Anakin siding with Mace.

 

[fireproof78]

Palpatine didn't anticipate Maul's defeat at the hands of Kenobi, and he knowingly put himself in harm's way during ROTS. For example, the incident below could have gone a completely different way. It would just take Anakin siding with Mace.

Better movie too. I read an AU fan fiction that went that way and good grief was it so much more interesting than the Star Wars PT in terms of interpersonal conflicts, resolving Jedi blindness in certain ways. Of course it had Maul and Palpatine return but that's because Palpatine always plans ahead and get's life insurance.