Final Trailer!

[Timofnine]

I wonder why they chose to add the finale scene of the trailer, it could have been something inspirational and positive. Instead we got:

Riker: Are you enjoying this?

Picard: Of course I am not… are you?

Also, do we know who the little girl is that Raffi is looking at the hologram of? Could it be her granddaughter? Her younger self?

There is something coming, some kind of attack…

Could this be a result of the events as depicted in the season 2 finale? The Species 8472/Doomsday Machine like attack from within the Borg Transwarp conduit?

I wonder what the ‘all consuming darkness’ could be? It can’t be Vadic? There could be a bigger enemy at play? Vadic could blame Picard for this greater threat If he had somehow encountered it before?

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

I wonder why they chose to add the finale scene of the trailer, it could have been something inspirational and positive. Instead we got:

I thought they were being ironic, i.e. they do enjoy it.

Also, do we know who the little girl is that Raffi is looking at the hologram of? Could it be her granddaughter? Her younger self?

That was my first thought, but she looks nothing like her parents...

 

[Timofnine]

I thought they were being ironic, i.e. they do enjoy it.

But if this is true, in the context of the trailer it would be quite a mis-placed enjoyment? If the trailer was more upbeat then it would make more sense, so perhaps this scene is out of context with what the trailer shows?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

production assistant on the final two seasons of Voyager which most people say are the best season

No one in the last 30 years has said the final two seasons of Voyager were the best seasons. 4 and 5 get praise but the rest of it is considered hot garbage. Everyone hated season 1 - 3 so much they had to bring in Jeri Ryan to make people watch the show. Despite Jeri, season 6 and 7 were a ratings disaster, were panned by the fans and are considered the first real signs of 90's trek burning out. Star Trek should never go back to formulaic, conservative storytelling of Voyager and Enterprise.

Now I've got that slightly annoyed rant over, what we do know is they ARE shaking up the formula for Discovery Season 5 (there's a lot less reviewers of Season 4 and the audience score is abysmal on Rotten Tomatoes) to the point they're going to be looting SNW's clothes and it will be in a similar format. Problem of the week, planet of the week, plucky crew goes to fix the problem and make friends along the way. No more galatic ending events, and hopefully a lot less sobbing.

None of this is accurate. It's already been stated by the showrunners that Season 5 will involve a quest of sorts to find some ancient technology. Audience scoring on Rotten Tomatoes means fuck all, because of review bombing. Some fans are so unbelieveably petty and so unbelieveably childish that they actively try and hurt the show because it's not the show they specifically wanted or because they dislike seeing a black woman having agency and telling white men what to do. It's the exact same behaviour that I remember people exhibiting to DS9 and Voyager but it's 100 times worse because there are more platforms available.

People need to realise that each Trek show is trying to occupy it's own niche. Discovery is blockbuster trek. It's goal is to take the place of the films and all the action packed two part episodes, which is why the stories are larger than life. SNW is Episodic Trek catering to the people who want planet of the week stories. And then you have Picard, Lower decks and Prodigy which are individually Prestige Trek, Comedy Trek, and Kids Trek and collectively nostalgia trek that appeals to the desire for stories set in the 24th - 25th centuries. Kurtzman and Paramount know that not everyone is going like to every series, so they are actively catering to different people.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

But if this is true, in the context of the trailer it would be quite a mis-placed enjoyment? If the trailer was more upbeat then it would make more sense, so perhaps this scene is out of context with what the trailer shows?

Isn't it usually, with trailers?
I just took it to mean "ah, like good old times: the most dangerous threat to the universe, ever, and the old gang together, here we go again, I'm too old for this sh*t but it's also fun etc." A bit lame, maybe, but not depressing.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Stupid knee-jerk reactions to anything new/different are unfortunate, and I really don't want to be a cynical douche. Which is why it pains me to say that the trailer was remarkably bad. I'm actually astounded by how much it turned me off.

It looks just plain dismal. It looks every bit as tired and depressing as Nemesis, if not more so.

I just hope that it isn't indicative of the season as a whole.

I mean it's just a trailer, so it could very well be underselling the quality of the story. But man, is it underwhelming. I remain cautiously optimistic for the season, though.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

That was certainly...a trailer. It feels funny that the lasting legacy of the TNG crew is that they were action heroes in-universe. Or perhaps that is just how Picard himself is viewed by the public at this stage of his life, which is even funnier.

Anyway, is that an NX class crashing into the Titan(?) at the 25 sec mark?

 

[NCC-73515]

It might be Beverly's ship, you see it a few times in the trailers

 

[Tuskin38]

That's my thought. This feels like just another teaser trailer. What do Lore and Moriarty have to do with Revenge Lady's plot? Why are we now just seeing another character with an axe to grind with Picard? There isn't even a cursory presentation of the show's plot.

Because Terry didn't want to spoil anything else.

Ya don't gatekeep you get "Palpatine came back for some reason".

Gatekeeping is always bad.

Anyway, is that an NX class crashing into the Titan(?) at the 25 sec mark?

No it's Beverly's ship, we see it in previous trailers.

Could this be a result of the events as depicted in the season 2 finale? The Species 8472/Doomsday Machine like attack from within the Borg Transwarp conduit?

No. It's already been confirmed Season 3 is not following up on the transwarp conduit.

so perhaps this scene is out of context with what the trailer shows?

Trailers are always out of context. You should never judge something based on its trailer.

 

[Anduinel]

My to watch backlog is almost a year's worth of content at this point, and I just got into Twin Peaks, Veronica Mars, The Prisoner, The 4400, and Orphan Black so I won't get to checking it out any time soon!

Twin Peaks is a trip and a half, but I hope you enjoy it!

 

[James Cole]

Twin Peaks is a trip and a half, but I hope you enjoy it!

You want trippy... today in the Trader Joe's parking lot, there was a car with Twin Peaks logo, zig zag lines like the Blu ray discs, and a quote that Google says is from David Lynch!

When did Star Trek ever have any sort of humour like Orville has?

The Orville toned down most of it's over the top humor after getting picked up by Fox (granted the exception of the porn virus holodeck episode held over from season 1). Seth sold Family Guy in Space, Fox got a Star Trek homage. I know this isn't the book forum, but Peter David's New Frontier series more or less had Orville type humor and it worked in universe. Whereas Lower Decks never seems to reach fully believable in universe humor. And, speaking of tv shows that could be parallel universes to Star Trek, Ron Moore's For All Mankind gets well regards. Maybe March will be my AppleTV month... but March also has the long awaited return of Party Down, so Starz kinda has that month occupied, especially if I end up liking Bryan Fuller's American Gods.

So we kind of know there are shakeups happening, Goldsman doesn't have to pull double duty where he clearly focused on SNW. While over on Picard Matalas has written several very good TV shows himself, is a huge Trekkie and was even production assistant on the final two seasons of Voyager which most people say are the best seasons. He was there when Trek was "as it should be" and seems to understand the weight of responsibility on his shoulders with this final season.

STP 201 "The Star Gazer" is the only "baseline Star Trek" live action episode I've seen under the NuTrek regime that could easily slot into 1966-2005 Star Trek without raising wait, what questions. JJ Abrams already did a Star Trek reboot. The other option is doing a The Next Next Generation.. which Picard season 3 is opening the door to. Apparently Akiva was devoting more time to Titans than SNW. but that may be charging with Zaslav canceling the former... In trying to be both a reboot and a non-reboot, SNW constantly knocks me out of episodes. It's like... watching the news. I can see what's going on, but find it impossible to get into the story with essentially anti-canon mixed with member berries.

Trek at its heart is very formulaic to truly work and you have to be damnably good to be able to change that. DS9 managed it, by proving longform storylines can work in the Trek setting, but it needs streaming services to really work and it only seems to have been since the series got put onto Netflix, then Paramount+ to truly be appreciated, same with the new wave of appreciation of Enterprise, even though that tries to follow an amalgam of the TOS and DS9 "formula".

You can do different settings, but they often wear out their welcome within an episode or two. How long would a show on one of the tiny border stations work, or a science vessel on long range research missions?

Trek novels have managed to push many boundaries while still keeping to canon and maintaining verisimilitude. But in general, it has been argued that Star Trek at least in the Berman era was a period piece set in a future coherent shared universe, reflecting modernist secular humanism, timeless allegorical stories informed by current events, characters as competent professionals, and optimistic about the future and human nature.

I'm thinking stuff like "Exploring the Mirror universe" which felt like it dragged on for way, way too long despite being what oh-so-many of us have wanted to see and explore since the very idea came about. Sometimes NOT getting what you want is a better move.

One of the best "how you fix Discovery" arguments I've heard is that at the end of season 2, instead of going into the "future", they should have jumped to a parallel universe and had arcs in multiple alt realities. They could still do their post-Apocalyptic thing without all the added baggage.

 

[Danja]

It looks just plain dismal. It looks every bit as tired and depressing as Nemesis, if not more so.

I know the producers wanted to delve into "the dark side of Trek," but this is ridiculous!

The lighting sux! Any darker and I'll be watching a podcast!

 

[cooleddie74]

Spoiler: Ranting at the Disco

We didn't get that with Discovery, what we got was an achingly GIRLBOSS protagonist (since when have Trek shows ever had THAT? It's always been about the ensemble cast problem solving together) and its written the usual horrible way Hollywood writes "strong women" which is just the tropes of "toxic male with boobs" to the point Burnham was verging on obnoxious marysue ism. She knew better than everyone else, could solve better than nearly everyone else and the rest of the cast, such as they were developed, mainly hung about to be a foil to Burnham. Oh and she's SPOCKS HUMAN SISTER! REMEMBER SPOCK TREKKIES? YOU LIKE SPOCK DONT YOU? Pleastunein.

The character as written (zero disrespect to Sonequa Martin-Green, she's a fine actress) either shouldn't be anywhere near a star ship unless its enjoying the walls of a brig, or needed a lot more of her hubris beaten out of her by the rest of the crew before being even allowed to come clean the coffee cups off of the bridge. She hasn't had the kind of character arc that even Tom Paris got in Voyager to get rid of his arrogance, and that show was written in such a way to be ruthlessly syndicated in any order.

Sigh.

 

[Lord Garth]

Picard Season 3 is the first time I've looked forward to a TNG Movie since in 1996, and I'm not going to let some of you people in here ruin my enjoyment of it.

 

[Mudd]

The problem is SNW is what they should have done ...

...Is exactly what they've done. There is no problem with SNW.

Now that we've settled that...

 

[Danja]

it has been argued that Star Trek at least in the Berman era was a period piece set in a future coherent shared universe, reflecting modernist secular humanism, timeless allegorical stories informed by current events, characters as competent professionals, and optimistic about the future and human nature.

It's easy to be a "competent professional" when you spend the bulk of your career cruising the giant safe, known bathtub that is the Alpha Quadrant (i.e., TNG, TOS, SNW).

Venturing off into the far unknown a la Disco and Voyager is another matter entirely (Would you be able to stand going someplace knowing full well that you'll never see your family and friends again?)

One of the best "how you fix Discovery" arguments I've heard is that at the end of season 2, instead of going into the "future", they should have jumped to a parallel universe and had arcs in multiple alt realities. They could still do their post-Apocalyptic thing without all the added baggage.

Why NOT go into the future? You would have Star Trek: Sliders! (Which, BTW, was created by Tracy Torme -- a former writer for TNG).

Why limit Trek creatively?

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

I don't begrudge anyone who's hyped their fun. I expect the same tolerance for my less enthusiastic reaction.

Knee-jerked? Not any more than the positive reactions. We're all in the dark and it's possible the trailer is not remotely representative of the actual story.

Someone upthread called it a TNG film, and that fits, for me. I've always preferred the tv shows to the movies.

Of course I'm also one of the few who wasn't crazy about the idea of replacing most of the original cast with the TNG crew.

The good thing about cautious pessimism (TM) is it makes it easy to be pleasantly surprised! I seem to remember I was quite hyped for s2, and that didn't turn out all that great (for me, ymmv).

Given the strong rumours as to the identity of Ed Speleer's character, details might be more likely to drive people away than draw them in. It certainly made me even more pessimistic, and I was already unhappy at the treatment of Jurati & Rios and the return of the TNG cast.

I haven't kept up in recent months, but if it's the same rumor I'm thinking of, I agree. It's one of the worst tropes for me and I hope it's wrong.

 

[Anduinel]

The Popcast has posted their trailer breakdown. Like RMB, they've already seen all ten episodes. While not throwing out spoilers, they do clarify several points of potential ambiguity on what exactly is being shown.

Spoiler

They specified that the little girl is Raffi's granddaughter. It doesn't seem like Raffi's estranged family should be important enough to show up on the new big bad's radar, so I'm definitely curious about how their involvement dovetails into the overall plot.

 

[Tuskin38]

Spoiler

They specified that the little girl is Raffi's granddaughter. It doesn't seem like Raffi's estranged family should be important enough to show up on the new big bad's radar, so I'm definitely curious about how their involvement dovetails into the overall plot.

Spoiler

It may not be, it could be what she was doing before Picard comes looking for her.

The Popcast has posted their trailer breakdown. Like RMB, they've already seen all ten episodes. While not throwing out spoilers, they do clarify several points of potential ambiguity on what exactly is being shown.

Though oddly they keep talking about the Titan-A as if it's the same Titan Riker commanded.

 

[Danja]

and if there is I still expect it’s more likely to be Starfleet Academy and not the Titan/Seven of Nine power hour.

SFA = Pre-Prodigy

Won't SFA cannibalize Prodigy?