What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[fireproof78]

It's like they wrote a 2155 story and then just moved it ahead 6y,

Here is my biggest gripe with TATV, and this might be controversial or just my own weird quirk. The biggest emotional beat was Trip and T'Pol making peace with the loss of their daughter. That if Terra Prime hadn't done the process the way they did she would have been viable not died. That is a devastating loss. And then, next episode, "Eh, 6 years have gone by and that relationship is over." We're going to end the last episode with a big dramatic loss and then it never comes up again. No, fuck that. That's poor writing and ignoring character development for the sake of the status quo.

 

[Picard578]

Enterprise had the potential to become the most interesting Star Trek show. With it being set in a relatively "primitive" era, it could have shown stuff that later series generally didn't: not only primitive technology, but also struggling with logistics, more focus on interpersonal stuff... basically what new Battlestar Galactica did, or Voyager's Year of Hell two-parter.

But yeah, they completely screwed that over.

 

[Vger23]

Enterprise had the potential to become the most interesting Star Trek show. With it being set in a relatively "primitive" era, it could have shown stuff that later series generally didn't: not only primitive technology, but also struggling with logistics, more focus on interpersonal stuff... basically what new Battlestar Galactica did, or Voyager's Year of Hell two-parter.

But yeah, they completely screwed that over.

I agree...they had a chance to do some real "The Right Stuff meets Star Trek" kind of stuff.

While I genuinely think ENT was pretty entertaining and a good quality show when looked at in its own stove pipe...I definitely think they missed the opportunity to do something truly interesting here.

 

[Picard578]

I agree...they had a chance to do some real "The Right Stuff meets Star Trek" kind of stuff.

While I genuinely think ENT was pretty entertaining and a good quality show when looked at in its own stove pipe...I definitely think they missed the opportunity to do something truly interesting here.

I actually do like the Enterprise, and the first episode of it I watched actually had me hooked much more than any other "firsts" in Star Trek. And personally, I liked the first season the most.

 

[drt]

When you really look at it, you see the pure lack of effort regarding the supposed future of TATV. No one asked: "What will these characters look like in six years? What rank will they be? Will they be doing something else? Will they still need to haul MACO's? It's like they wrote a 2155 story and then just moved it ahead 6y, for the same no-reason reason as why they chopped five years off Riker's age... and since Jonathan Frakes was in his 50's by then, he was not passing for 35.

The lack of effort extends to the ENT cast knowing it's a pile of crap that does their entire show a disservice so they just sleepwalk their way through the script.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

There are definitely good episodes in Voyager but what kills it for me was the constant resetting of things. As some fans call it "Janeway's reset button" where something happens one episode then it's all gone and no one remembers the next episode any of that. It happened far too often.

 

[Vger23]

There are definitely good episodes in Voyager but what kills it for me was the constant resetting of things. As some fans call it "Janeway's reset button" where something happens one episode then it's all gone and no one remembers the next episode any of that. It happened far too often.

It's both a weakness and a strength. It makes the series infuriating and consequence (and therefore drama)-free at times, but it also cements VOY as good, old fashioned comfort food...which is nice sometimes.

 

[fireproof78]

There are definitely good episodes in Voyager but what kills it for me was the constant resetting of things. As some fans call it "Janeway's reset button" where something happens one episode then it's all gone and no one remembers the next episode any of that. It happened far too often.

Same here. It feels like the antithesis of what Voyager was set up to be. Similar with Enterprise. Both feel like TNG, which is fine if they were placed either in the same quadrant (Voyager) or in the same time period (Enterprise).

Sadly, for me, there is little that draws me back to either so I derive no enjoyment from repeated viewings.

 

[at Quark's]

There are definitely good episodes in Voyager but what kills it for me was the constant resetting of things. As some fans call it "Janeway's reset button" where something happens one episode then it's all gone and no one remembers the next episode any of that. It happened far too often.

To be fair, that had mostly been the standard format of Trek up until that point. And even if DS9 also had an arc, it also had lots of episodes that were never referred to again and/or didn't have any consequences for the rest of the series.

 

[Vger23]

To be fair, that had mostly been the standard format of Trek up until that point. And even if DS9 also had an arc, it also had lots of episodes that neither were ever referred to again and/or didn't have any consequences for the rest of the series.

The difference, though, was the VOY's premise at its very core, sort of demanded a more serialized "consequences matter" format and approach.

 

[Farscape One]

I don't think so. By mid or late Season Six, I found myself feeling very frustrated with DS9, aside from a few episodes. And I never really liked Season Seven . . . again, aside from a few episodes. Come to think of it, I never really liked Seasons Six and Seven of TNG. Aside from a few episodes. And I found Season Six of VOY rather boring, aside from a few episodes. I guess a few likeable episodes could never overcome my disinterest in those seasons from the TNG trifecta.

Sounds to me like you had more an issue with a show past 5 seasons than the actual shows themselves.

 

[Oddish]

The lack of effort extends to the ENT cast knowing it's a pile of crap that does their entire show a disservice so they just sleepwalk their way through the script.

Don't blame them a bit. If I had a pile of dog vomit like that thrown at me, then told I was fired afterward... well, I expect I'd phone it in, too.

There are definitely good episodes in Voyager but what kills it for me was the constant resetting of things. As some fans call it "Janeway's reset button" where something happens one episode then it's all gone and no one remembers the next episode any of that. It happened far too often.

I called it the Big Red Reset Button, and it's not just the frequency of its use, it's the significance of the events it shuffled off into oblivion.

It's both a weakness and a strength. It makes the series infuriating and consequence (and therefore drama)-free at times, but it also cements VOY as good, old fashioned comfort food...which is nice sometimes.

True. But it could have been done with competence. If you're going to do things like clown car shuttles, unlimited torpedoes, and infinite replicator rations... at least explain the change. And for crying out loud, promote the frickin' ensign already!

The difference, though, was the VOY's premise at its very core, sort of demanded a more serialized "consequences matter" format

There were times when it felt more like a Princess cruise than a starship alone in a desperate and hostile situation... like the Love Boat in space, only all the romances except one didn't work out.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

More Enterprise sounds good but what are they going to do with Captain Archer if Scott Bakula comes back

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I think Threshold is a fun, if goofy, episode to watch when you want to watch something to turn your brain off for 42-odd minutes

 

[Doctorossi]

I think Threshold is a fun, if goofy, episode to watch when you want to watch something to turn your brain off for 42-odd minutes

I agree. The first two acts are actually quite good and it’s just the *ahem* climax that lets it down.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

The climax cracks me up. "Which one is the Captain?" "The female. Obviously."

 

[cooleddie74]

"Threshold" is dumb but at least it's not offensive or just damn lazy. Bad doesn't necessarily mean a dumpster fire.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

"Threshold" is dumb but at least it's not offensive or just damn lazy. Bad doesn't necessarily mean a dumpster fire.

True. But Trek has its share of offensive episodes.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Code of Honor(TNG)" is so much worse than "Threshold" and in almost every respect.

 

[Oddish]

There's offensive and there's just plain ludicrous. Neither is good, but offensive is obviously worse.