Nah. Never was a game show person.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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What a terrible argument. You're basically justifying what the invaders did to native peoples around the world.
They didn't need to kidnap the Baku, they could have just asked them if they could build a station in orbit of the planet. They probably wouldn't have cared.
Oh, is this the trolley problem?
Which is the lesser of two ways of doing Earth-set stories: parallel worlds or holodeck simulations? The former seems to strain credulity, although the likelihood with parallel universes, time travel, and sheer probability is greater, whereas the latter seems like AU fanfiction during full immersion moments.
It's a tough one. I like most of the Parallel Earth episodes, but the more alien, the better. And what are the odds of a planet developing exactly like Earth except for one difference?
So, in theory, the Holodeck episodes should be better, except I don't like the technobabble nonsense that goes with them to make the episodes work.
The best show to watch for Parallel Earths is Sliders. At least the first two seasons. It's very hit-or-miss later on.
Okay, "off the rails" might be overstating it, but I stand by the view that it's not as as good as the first season. I rewatched all of TOS last year and found that my attention and patience were certainly tried more often in the second season. It seemed to me that Shatner was actually acting in season one, whereas he'd started to believe his own hype in season two, and the added comedy definitely doesn't work for me. While season two does have some really great episodes ("Mirror, Mirror"; "The Trouble with Tribbles"; "Amok Time"; "The Doomsday Machine"), they're interspersed with complete bobbins ("The Omega Glory"; "Catspaw"; "The Apple"; "Obsession"). And looking at the review averages on both Ex Astris Scientia and IMDb, season one is ranked more highly than season two.
Honestly, I'm just not a TOS fan in general, sorry
There is a hint of irony in someone with a screen name of MacIntosh not being a fan of "THE APPLE"...
Sometimes, for the sake of the many, the few get thrown under the bus. Take Mullibok in "Progress". I don't see any path to a happy ending for him, probably died alone and miserable in some third-rate Bajoran retirement facility surrounded by people who truly believed he should be happy that he didn't have to work hard and be self-reliant anymore. But it was either oust him or deny much-needed energy to thousands. What do you choose?
I have to agree with you.
Without TNG, there are no spin-offs. No DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC, PIC, SNW, LD, PRO. None of it. The Franchise as we currently know it wouldn't exist.
If it's just TOS, TAS, and the TOS Movies, then TOS still gets rebooted, it just happens sooner than 2009. So we'd get whatever those reboot films would've been, and they would've run their course by now. Maybe someone would've -- or would be -- trying to get a TV reboot of Star Trek off the ground in the 2010s or 2020s on a streaming service in the same sense that they had a Lost In Space TV reboot not too long ago.
Saying for TOS: S1 > S2 > S3, I don't really believe that's controversial. It's generally agreed upon. And it's generally agreed that S3 is when TOS went off the rails, that all the changes that went on behind the scenes were for the worse, and it showed.
Also, it's not controversial to observe that, while there is a generally agreed upon set of favorites, there is no agreement as to which episode is the very best.
My perhaps controversial opinion: S1 > S2 overall, but most of my favorite episodes come from S2.
Also, it's not controversial to observe that, while there is a generally agreed upon set of favorites, there is no agreement as to which episode is the very best.
My perhaps controversial opinion: S1 > S2 overall, but most of my favorite episodes come from S2.
I always enjoy a good pun. With my wife and our niece and nephews... the puns never stop coming from me.
It's weird to think that TOS has the equivalent of eight seasons' worth of episodes, when compared to a modern series.
Film left on the cutting room floor should stay on the cutting room floor. Special editions remasterd editions directors editions all sucky sucky.
It's particularly irritating not having any legal or practical way of watching TOS without the CGI Enterprise.
It's particularly irritating not having any legal or practical way of watching TOS without the CGI Enterprise.
Whoo. There's coffee in that nebula. And in ME!
And without Star Trek IV making a ton of money TNG would not have made it to season 3 when it became a viable show that could be spun off of.
I thought that to make the benefits usable by the galaxy at large that the planet had to be rendered uninhabitable. You're asking me to remember Insurrection. Stop it.
Picard very snarkily (and wonderfully because it's Stewart) asks "How many people does it have to be before it's wrong?" There are current events going on right now where the world of all political and philosophical stripes and circumstances is answering "More than that."
It's a tough question. It's supposed to be. It would have been more interesting if the Ba'ku hadn't been so angelic or if the Crazy Admiral hadn't been such a trope, er, jerk. (Imagine if the Ba'ku had been like the cast of Deliverance and they had their old spaceships up on blocks and they all got drunk all day long?)
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few sounds so sage when Spock says it. Less so when the army rolls in and says "We claim this land for the greater good!"
Picard was going to sacrifice the Enterprise for Wesley Crusher in Justice. "I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that." (I've never been able to decide if that was comforting or disturbing for a starship captain. He's also damn well made decisions based on arithmetic when it hasn't been a credited cast member.) Odo "wiped out" (time travel is complicated) a 200 year old civilization to save Kira. Someone go find a Tuvix thread.
"I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."
IIRC Roger Ebert when reviewing the film dismissed the question out of hand while allowing that it's fun to have these kind of debates on Star Trek that wouldn't last a moment in real life.
Damn. I forgot Omega Glory. Ok. One. (I freaking LOVE Omega Glory.)
Without Wrath of Khan there is no TNG. (Without TMP there is no TWOK, but that's a shakier argument.) It was the movies that convinced Paramount "Hey this Star Trek thing isn't going away. Is that Roddenberry fellow still around?"
And without Star Trek IV making a ton of money TNG would not have made it to season 3 when it became a viable show that could be spun off of.
I thought that to make the benefits usable by the galaxy at large that the planet had to be rendered uninhabitable. You're asking me to remember Insurrection. Stop it.
Picard very snarkily (and wonderfully because it's Stewart) asks "How many people does it have to be before it's wrong?" There are current events going on right now where the world of all political and philosophical stripes and circumstances is answering "More than that."
It's a tough question. It's supposed to be. It would have been more interesting if the Ba'ku hadn't been so angelic or if the Crazy Admiral hadn't been such a trope, er, jerk. (Imagine if the Ba'ku had been like the cast of Deliverance and they had their old spaceships up on blocks and they all got drunk all day long?)
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few sounds so sage when Spock says it. Less so when the army rolls in and says "We claim this land for the greater good!"
Picard was going to sacrifice the Enterprise for Wesley Crusher in Justice. "I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that." (I've never been able to decide if that was comforting or disturbing for a starship captain. He's also damn well made decisions based on arithmetic when it hasn't been a credited cast member.) Odo "wiped out" (time travel is complicated) a 200 year old civilization to save Kira. Someone go find a Tuvix thread.
"I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."
IIRC Roger Ebert when reviewing the film dismissed the question out of hand while allowing that it's fun to have these kind of debates on Star Trek that wouldn't last a moment in real life.
Are there any parallel Earth episodes in season 2? Not to nit pick, but it's TrekBBS. Miri is parallel Earth. This Side of Paradise is possibly parallel Earth (but probably not). You'd have to put All Our Yesterdays in that bucket. But Patterns of Force and A Piece of the Action are specifically not parallel Earth.
Damn. I forgot Omega Glory. Ok. One. (I freaking LOVE Omega Glory.)
As I was contemplating my THIRD run through Strange New Worlds (while not having watched all of DS9, VOY, ENT, or Disco once) I thought "Good grief. This is what it would be like if Star Trek was the size of Firefly!"
Blu ray?
The original DVD sets.
Also, the remastered TOS ones have BOTH the original and remastered versions in the sets.
Season 2 had two parallel Earth stories. "BREAD AND CIRCUSES" was the other one.
"A Piece of the Action," "Pattterns of Force," "The Omega Glory" and "Bread and Circuses."
The Chicago Mob planet, the Nazi planet, the post-apocalypse Yankee and Communist planet and the Roman planet.
The Chicago Mob planet, the Nazi planet, the post-apocalypse Yankee and Communist planet and the Roman planet.
"A PIECE OF THE ACTION" and "PATTERNS OF FORCE" are not parallel planet development.
Both were interfered with by humans... the former due to a mobster book being left behind, the latter being a direct influence by John Gill, the historian.
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