Star Trek XIV: What do you want?

[Relayer1]

I think the franchise should really concentrate on television, as that's where it really shines.

My thoughts exactly.

However, even though I dislike the Kelvin movies, Beyond would be a particularly low note to go out on.

If there is another, I'd like them to go all in to end it and tie it in a pretty bow - maybe fixing the split timeline, get Shat involved while they still can, whatever.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I'd like to see a final Pine and Quinto movie.

And it should involve both Klingons as well as time travel.

Also all the female characters they love to ditch between movies.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd like to see a final Pine and Quinto movie.

Sure, even if it is final.

And it should involve both Klingons

Absolutely.

as well as time travel.

Please no.

Also all the female characters they love to ditch between movies.

Marcus and Jaylah would be wonderful to see again!

 

[F. King Daniel]

What bothers me is the Enterprise having a letter because the OG movies had that. These writers directors can create and develop their own thing; there has to be another designation besides aping off TVH? The ship is the Enterprise but I don't think the registry number has to be NCC-1701 - A since there's no nostalgia factor to it. TVH bringing back the Enterprise was sprinkles on the ice cream for viewers who knew the crew lost the constitution class version in TSFS. It was a replica from TMP, but what I saw briefly in that crappy movie Beyond was a new design. In JJTrek there isn't an earned legacy for their Enterprise so I don't feel its necessary to have the same registry number.

They saved the Earth, stopped an unjust war with the Klingons from starting and saved Yorktown. Plenty of in-universe reason for them to stick an -A on the end. Of course you won't have the nostalgic feeling you had for the classic movie -A reveal. That's how nostalgia works.

You must love Discovery, giving most legacy ships letters in that era including TOS ones like the Excalibur.

 

[M'Sharak]

You must love Discovery, giving most legacy ships letters in that era including TOS ones like the Excalibur.

There must have been a way of putting that which didn't involve the personal nudge. Also, that's a Discovery discussion I don't think we really need to have here.

 

[Qonundrum]

A tribute to Chekov actor Anton Yelchin.

No outright comedy, TVH was an outright sitcom and TFF trying to pander with more of the same was a flop. Comedy in later movies was also a mixed bag, especially when aimed at the audience rather than letting it flow naturally.

Something other than a revenge trope, unless they can really pull it off. STB managed it. STID almost managed it... STVI made it truly spectacular.

Keep it nowhere near Earth and don't have ships go there. Let's do a count:

1. Involved Earth
2. Didn't involve Earth
3. Barely involved Earth, mainly as a plot setup
   
4. Involved Earth royally
5. Didn't involve Earth
6. Barely involved Earth (only for peripheral plot setup)
   
7. Didn't involve Earth
8. Involved Earth royally
   
9. Didn't involve Earth
10. Involved Earth only because the writers got bored with every other magical and implausible or dumb idea so why not chuck in Earth for no reason just to make it even lamer?
11. Involved Earth royally
12. Involved Earth royally
13. Didn't involve Earth

Forget even-numbered nonsense, the ones that don't wallow in Earth are the best.


A low fewer easter eggs/meta references/etc or using old characters as crutches. Re-viewing STID recently, it's honestly a very solid and strong enough a film, uses Earth reasonably well (though could still have worked without the grandiose f/x of the ship crashing on the planet, another overdone trope and GEN did it best anyway), didn't need "Khan" whatsoever to gain and maintain interest, or the hideous redo of the fan-favorite yell of "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" to have been truly great. With better handling, the "magic blood" could have been made to work. (And to be fair, their playing it straight, letting Spock yell it would have been poignant if it worked, and not doing a 4th wall-break send-up ensured it it wouldn't be received any worse if it didn't work. )

Don't kick heavy machinery to re-align the engine part, not even the Incredible Hulk has the strength...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Literally a movie. That goes in cinemas, I'm not against Long Treks (I think they'd be great!) but I don't think P+ offerings should count as true Trek movies.

 

[vvlcn]

I'm very much partial to a Kelvin continuation with Pine and Quinto. Above all else, character interaction between the main three, and more Bones! Karl Urban was a great choice for a recast, but he was barely in the first two movies. Could be me just wanting to see my favorite character more, though.

 

[Vulture]

I would like to see the Kelvin Kruge.
Christopher Lloyd was amazing, there's big shoes to fill but it's just a matter of time.
Dr Marcus creates Gensis successfully without Khan's bull ish and Kruge wants it for a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

John Laroquette always makes me smile on #3.
I hope they find Kelvin Kruge a good sidekick too.

 

[FederationHistorian]

I would like to see the Kelvin Kruge.
Christopher Lloyd was amazing, there's big shoes to fill but it's just a matter of time.
Dr Marcus creates Gensis successfully without Khan's bull ish and Kruge wants it for a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

John Laroquette always makes me smile on #3.
I hope they find Kelvin Kruge a good sidekick too.

I could get behind this.

What if the stakes are raised in that a number of powers want it? And brings other TOS characters to the big screen for the first time?

• Klingons (led by Kruge) who wants the genesis Device the most to reverse engineer it as a weapon.
• Romulans (led by the female Romulan Commander (who hopefully has a name this time) & flanked by a younger Nanclus & a Reman subcommander) who want to know if it threatens the Romulan Empire.
• The Tholians (led by Loskene) who think that the Federation wants to destroy them with Genesis and thus wants to destroy the device.
• The Orions (led by Thelev) who have broke with Kruge on this matter and just want to sell it an the black market.

And Genesis ends up being the origin of Nimbus III in the Kelvin timeline.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Present something in the movie where there isn't another megalomaniacal villain; Star Trek could be so much more than having a series of James Bond bad guys.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Present something in the movie where there isn't another megalomaniacal villain; Star Trek could be so much more than having a series of James Bond bad guys.

So, something closer to TMP or TVH?

 

[publiusr]

I don’t know what I want to see…surprise me.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Not another reboot, for the love of Kirk's balls.

A new crew in the Kelvin timeline could be interesting. Just treat this like the alternate universe it is, instead of just rehashing TOS. Make the main cast a mix of Original Series characters, people from the original movies, and new characters. For example, Captain Kirk, Spock, Ilia, Saavik, an Andorian, a Tellerite, Number One.....actually, SNW might have this covered.

How about moving forward to the TNG era, but really switch it up. Have Tuvok captaining the Enterprise-D, with Tasha Yar as his first officer, who does not die. Dr. Selar is the CMO. Kirk's son David, who has outlived his father, serves as the spunky Tactical Officer. Instead of Data, Dr. Noodle-Song or whatever his name is built a blue shinny "female" Android, who sits in Troi's chair.

Or something.

 

[fireproof78]

How about no familiar characters at all. No recasting, no TNG style Kelvin. Do a new ship in the Kelvin universe and bring in one of the Kelvin cast as the bridge and have the new generation just be the next class, rather than 80 years in the future.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'd be interested in a serious, full-on TOS reboot aimed at a mature audience. Something akin to TMP in tone, but without massive plot issues like V'ger never thinking to wipe the muck off it's name plate. They've tried the superhero movie approach with Trek, lets do Interstellar (without the nonsense ending of that too)

 

[WarpTenLizard]

How about no familiar characters at all. No recasting, no TNG style Kelvin. Do a new ship in the Kelvin universe and bring in one of the Kelvin cast as the bridge and have the new generation just be the next class, rather than 80 years in the future.

The question then is how to create five or six different characters and a mission specific to the Kelvin timeline. (Otherwise it would just feel like a waste to have a whole crew and adventures that can never be referenced in the countless other Star Trek series.)

I'd be interested in a serious, full-on TOS reboot aimed at a mature audience. Something akin to TMP in tone

Only if McCoy has his Disco Santa outfit.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I would really like another Kelvin Movie. I want to see Jaylah again, dang it!

 

[STEPhon IT]

Because, for the most part (and it saddens me to say this more than you know)...nobody cares about those kinds of movies anymore. Interstellar and Gravity were outliers, not trends. And if you slap the name "Star Trek" on it, it's likely to do WORSE, not better.

People go to the movies to see comic book stuff, reboots of popular old franchises, and...well....not much else.

It's a total bummer. But, if you tried to make a 2021 version of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture," that would never work as a wide-release major motion picture. Something special on Paramount+? Sure...that might work. Something that would put drooling masses into theater seats? Not a chance.

I really enjoyed "Avatar: The Way of Water, the world was explored more than what I expected and I like the characters, especially the new ones, which broaden the scope of the movie. Could a Star Trek movie embrace a similar theme of exploration instead of another James Bond super villain-type who's aim is to reach Ricardo Montalban status?

 

[STEPhon IT]

So, something closer to TMP or TVH?

How about a little bit of both? I mean Paramount Bad Robot has hired some good actors, give them something to do besides saying the same clichés and tropes but do something that would be a little risky. TMP was risky but was a misunderstood film, the TVH was risky because they had no choice but to move forward because they blew up the 20 year old Enterprise. Using a "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" influenced aliens where sounds and songs were to the basis for the plot was clever and it was double risky by trusting the intelligence of the audience to not be spoon fed too information of the conversation.