Stuff that make you wonder but not own thread worthy

[Mojochi]

Problem is, they were awake when they were over there. Otherwise, Riker wouldn't have been so tired afterward.

I dunno if I'd call what Ensign Rager looked like awake. Eyes open sure, but more like anesthetized. Riker had to carry her out. She was down from something, something he wasn't down from this time, because Bev had given him stims.

The thing is, everyone did have memories, foggy, latent, subconscious even, but memories. It was very much like those you'd have from partial sedation or some beginning/ending state of anesthesia, & none of the memories were of the experiments done to them, like Riker's arm removal. I mean if it was a memory wipe, it was a pretty terrible one, that left a LOT of traces, & it would seem unlikely if they were so alien, that they'd even know how to do one on an alien being, but if it were generalized sedation, then it would explain how they remember some stuff, but not all of what happened.

The only thing needed for Riker to be tired is a disruption of REM sleep, which some types of anesthesia might do, especially alien in nature. When he rescues Rager, she has some tubes mainlined into her arm that he has to detach. My general assumption was they just pumped some kind of sedative into them, & did awful things while they were under.

 

[Oddish]

This came up in another topic, thought I'd elaborate on it here...

On Mariposa, the surviving colonists were reproducing themselves by cloning. However, they seem to do so by growing full-sized copies. Now if course, the IRL reason for this was they didn't want to show Riker vaporizing babies. But beyond that, that's just a stupid way to do it, for several reasons.

1. It's more resource intensive, and probably takes longer. Maybe if they'd grown infant copies instead, Baby Will and Baby Katherine would have been taken off to the nursery by the time Will arrived on his murderous mission, leaving only an incriminating DNA trace or two.

2. It reduces clone longevity. Maybe if they'd grown infants, the Mariposans would still have a century or two of clone viability left, and they could have told the Enterprise and the Bringloidi to bug off.

3. Cloning does not happen "6th Day" style, where the mind is duplicated as well as the body. In reality, a new clone would be a blank slate regardless of size, unable to walk or talk or care for itself. It's much easier (and less gross) to care for an infant when it's the size of an infant.

Also, on a semi-related note, do they really mean to tell us that there are no narcissists among the nearly 1000 adult members of the ship's company, people who would actually welcome the idea of being father or mother to a whole colony? Picard said (probably correctly) that Riker's attitude would be prevalent among his crew, but prevalence and universality are two different things.

And hey, if they could grow clones of varying ages, you'd just need someone with a Jango Fett complex.

 

[Mojochi]

^ I wouldn't say that topic is "Not Own Thread Worthy". We've had countless threads & discussions about that debate... arguments even, some of which that probably didn't go so well lol

2. It reduces clone longevity. Maybe if they'd grown infants, the Mariposans would still have a century or two of clone viability left, and they could have told the Enterprise and the Bringloidi to bug off.

That's not necessarily so. We know next to nothing about Mariposan cloning processes... except that they're absurdly unlike any employed in reality, a fact that on its own can fictionalize us out of having to judge it against real cloning in any way whatsoever, including whether these clones begin their lifespan already at a shortened adult timeframe, or even whether what Riker did to them in development was murder at all imho. We just haven't the sufficient evidence to make those claims in any way, beyond one desperate, genetically defective man's biased claim.

Admittedly though, it does seem pretty dumb to manufacture adult clones, that develop in states which looked like ballistic jelly, when Riker vaporized them. That ridiculous visual alone dispelled any notion in me that Riker had destroyed something developed enough to be considered viable humans

 

[Oddish]

wouldn't say that topic is "Not Own Thread Worthy". We've had countless threads & discussions about that debate... arguments even, some of which that probably didn't go so well lol

Well, this board had been up for around 20y when I showed up, so it's conceivable I missed some stuff. But since my topics usually take the express route to the bottom of the page, I usually just use "general purpose" topics like this one. Less embarrassing.

 

[Mojochi]

^lol Fair enough.

 

[Oddish]

Just a couple thoughts about "11001001"...

1. The Bynars' presumed plan was to use the holodecks to distract Riker and one other person (they needed two) until they had used the ship's computers to backup and reboot their home world... when Picard entered the holodeck with Riker, they basically said "100011010100111010011011111" which is Bynarese for "Ok, we got two, we're good" and ran off with the ship. But since it's established that the holodeck itself couldn't create a woman with the sheer sensuality and personality of Minuet, the only other source of it was the Bynars themselves. So the question is... was Riker, by proxy, smooching one of the Bynars?

Also, if they hadn't snagged Picard, I'm assuming they would have taken the Minuet sim with Riker to whatever level was required to keep him... ah, occupied while they were saving their world. So second question is... what would have happened if Picard hadn't walked in and turned things from hot n' heavy to platonic?

 

[at Quark's]

So the question is... was Riker, by proxy, smooching one of the Bynars?

Probably not.

Most likely, he would have been smooching two of them by proxy of Minuet. Those guys do everything in pairs, after all.

 

[Qonundrum]

Just a couple thoughts about "11001001"...

1. The Bynars' presumed plan was to use the holodecks to distract Riker and one other person (they needed two) until they had used the ship's computers to backup and reboot their home world... when Picard entered the holodeck with Riker, they basically said "100011010100111010011011111" which is Bynarese for "Ok, we got two, we're good" and ran off with the ship. But since it's established that the holodeck itself couldn't create a woman with the sheer sensuality and personality of Minuet, the only other source of it was the Bynars themselves. So the question is... was Riker, by proxy, smooching one of the Bynars?

Also, if they hadn't snagged Picard, I'm assuming they would have taken the Minuet sim with Riker to whatever level was required to keep him... ah, occupied while they were saving their world. So second question is... what would have happened if Picard hadn't walked in and turned things from hot n' heavy to platonic?

Every time I watch that episode of TNG, or Red Dwarf or Doctor Who where someone spouts a line of binary, I go here:

https://www.thebinaryconverter.com/binary-to-ascii

now look up

KRYTEN: In binary language it goes something like this: 001100111011000111100, which - roughly translated - means, "Don't stand
around jabbering when you're in mortal danger."

It proves once and for all that Kryten's jabbering from "Terrorform" was random number flinging, or he was reciting the raw format of a 7z file in hexadecimal! And, of course, the binary coordinates for Gallifrey couldn't possibly have a TWO in it... (1001100 by 02) Season 18 should have known better ...

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Maybe it's poetry, like this:

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[Oddish]

Probably not.

Most likely, he would have been smooching two of them by proxy of Minuet. Those guys do everything in pairs, after all.

Well, that's all right... "A Matter of Honor" shows that Riker's open-minded about two-on-one action...

Maybe it's poetry, like this:

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Reciting the names of Bynar friends of his, maybe?

 

[Farscape One]

It occurs to me... the letter Admiral Jarok wrote to his wife and daughter at the end of "The Defector".

Could they have finally received it during the alliance against the Dominion? Or at any time after the Shinzon incident?

 

[Unimatrix Q]

It occurs to me... the letter Admiral Jarok wrote to his wife and daughter at the end of "The Defector".

Could they have finally received it during the alliance against the Dominion? Or at any time after the Shinzon incident?

After Picard Season 1 and what Chabon revealed about the Romulans and their culture, i wonder if they did even exist or what he told about them was true or if it was just a smokescreen

 

[Farscape One]

I think he did have a wife and daughter, considering his look of shock and despair and him saying to himself "My home, my family... I did it for nothing" after Tomalak leaves.

Besides, why would he bother to write that letter and kill himself when he can just kill himself, unless they were real?

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I think he did have a wife and daughter, considering his look of shock and despair and him saying to himself "My home, my family... I did it for nothing" after Tomalak leaves.

Besides, why would he bother to write that letter and kill himself when he can just kill himself, unless they were real?

You're right. It was just meant as a joke

Seriously, i would love to see this issue resolved on screen Perhaps in Picard Season 3?

 

[Mojochi]

Just because there may someday be an ease in animosity or adversarial relations, Jarok would've still been labeled a traitor, whose treason would likely have been pursued throughout his family, many of whom may have ended up imprisoned themselves, having been doomed to it by Jarok.

Such circumstances would likely not be something anyone would want to dredge up after the fact, & if anyone from the Federation had ever been inspired to see that correspondence make its way to the recipients, which is also unlikely that anyone would even remember or bother, it would certainly be intercepted, & never make it through diplomatic channels in their lifetimes.

Even if it somehow miraculously did, would they even want it, after what they'd have known him to do & the results it probably would've had on them? I mean the guy actually did give very real & detrimental militaristic information to the Federation in his ill-guided attempt to stop the fictitious war, even if begrudgingly.

Picard was being unrealistic in professing that his letter would ever get to them, under any conditions. It's a noble thought, but rather lofty nonsense, & he should know better & probably did, but felt it was worth pipe dreaming about anyway.

 

[Qonundrum]

Maybe it's poetry, like this:

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And for a moment I was hoping that clip would turn into this:

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then this:

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[Qonundrum]

It occurs to me... the letter Admiral Jarok wrote to his wife and daughter at the end of "The Defector".

Could they have finally received it during the alliance against the Dominion? Or at any time after the Shinzon incident?

Either it blew up when the Du**ss Sisters destroyed 1701-D, or it got translated into Vogon poetry.

 

[johnnybear]

Alidar Jarok's message had to wait until the Romulans changed their stance upon relations with the Federation am I right? It's a couple of years since I've seen that one!
JB

 

[somebuddyX]

So Geordi is from Somalia, which I find kind of fascinating for some reason. I always thought he was just American because Levar is American. I thought it weird at first, based on his accent, but in a show with Picard's accent and Troi's accent and Worf's lack of accent I guess it makes a kind of sense.
OH, Geordi was in the first draft of "Death Wish" according to Memory Alpha.

 

[at Quark's]

So Geordi is from Somalia, which I find kind of fascinating for some reason. I always thought he was just American because Levar is American. I thought it weird at first, based on his accent, but in a show with Picard's accent and Troi's accent and Worf's lack of accent I guess it makes a kind of sense.
OH, Geordi was in the first draft of "Death Wish" according to Memory Alpha.

It's quite unlikely English wouldn't change to sound noticeably different 4 centuries from now (like Shakespearean English sounds different from ours), yet it sounds as if most characters are just talking late 20th century American English. So I'm guessing we're hearing UT translated versions of all characters anyway which would explain why characters from other countries have no accent (but for some reason the UT chose slightly different settings for Picard and Troi).