Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

I might watch it one day, but I do not want to be a traitor to Star Trek. People buy me Star Wars presents all the time by accident, it really frustrates me.

Dear merciful heavens I hope you're kidding.

Perhaps it was ‘bait and switch’ for a new audience?

Yes, because that turns out so well for the audience. "Here, this is like Star Wars except *yoink* totally not!" No, Prodigy's start reminded me of Miraculous Lady Bug's start that I watched with my kids. If it's Star Wars then it's only because Star Wars permeates pop culture and people think they know Star Wars.

 

[Wouter]

It's perfectly possible to watch both Star Trek and Star Wars (Andor is really good, by the way, and goes hand in hand with Rogue 1), and other SF and non-SF content as well...

Nobody an idea regarding the UT and its (in)effectiviness on the Vau N'akat language(s)?

 

[Timofnine]

If the guy that makes Star Wars makes a good Star Trek film one day, then I *might* give it a go. I know what happens in it anyway as everyone knows the spoilers.

 

[Jinn]

If the guy that makes Star Wars makes a good Star Trek film one day, then I *might* give it a go. I know what happens in it anyway as everyone knows the spoilers.

So you didn't like Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness?

Also, not directors, but there are plenty of actors who have worked on both franchises.

 

[Wouter]

JJ Abrams had nothing to do with Andor, among others. He's hardly "the guy that makes Star Wars".

 

[fireproof78]

If the guy that makes Star Wars makes a good Star Trek film one day, then I *might* give it a go. I know what happens in it anyway as everyone knows the spoilers.

Well, every day I have an IDIC moment. It's nice to hit mine bfore lunch.

So you didn't like Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness?

Also, not directors, but there are plenty of actors who have worked on both franchises.

Yes, but actors are just mercenaries and have no loyalties. Unlike fans who must never yield!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

JJ Abrams had nothing to do with Andor, among others. He's hardly "the guy that makes Star Wars".

I think @Timofnine was referring to Lucas.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[fireproof78]

Going to need a bigger bottle than that.

 

[Timofnine]

So you didn't like Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness?

Also, not directors, but there are plenty of actors who have worked on both franchises.

I did like them, but they seemed more like generic action films trying to pander too much to a mass market. I am cursed to like all of Star Trek, even the ridiculously main stream stuff. I also can not forgive them for the destruction of Romulus, Remus and Vulcan. I believe that the JJ Abrams films have led to a dystopian Star Trek future as a result of the Romulan nova in the 2380’s. I didn’t mean JJ Abrams making a good Star Trek film anyway, I meant if George Lucas made a good Star Trek film one day. Disney, Lucasfilms and Star Trek. couldn’t go wrong really, could it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Going to need a bigger bottle than that.

And a second Kryptonian liver.

 

[fireproof78]

And a second Kryptonian liver.

At least.

I took two shots for the use of "dystopian" in this thread.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Well didn’t George Lucas come up with the Star Wars storyline by crossing Flash Gordon with the bible?

He also lifted heavily from vast elements of Japanese culture and 70's anime. One of the more glaring and shameless similarities:

That and many other examples are why I always found Lucas' lawsuit against Universal and Glen Larson for BSG "ripping off" Star Wars highly hypocritical and specious.

 

[fireproof78]

I also forgot "Dune."

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yes, we must always have a "chosen one".

 

[fireproof78]

And sandworms!

 

[The Old Mixer]

And Buddhism. And Vietnam. And Joseph Campbell and the "Hero with a 1000 faces"/The Heroes' Journey. And then Dambusters in the final edit of the first film.

ETA: Almost forgot Akira Kurasawa films.

Add Jack Kirby's New Gods.

 

[Christopher]

The first few episodes of Prodigy were what I would consider to be Star Wars like to begin with

I keep hearing people say that, but nobody ever explains what they mean by it. I don't see anything about Prodigy that's specifically similar to Star Wars as opposed to plenty of other things out there.

He also lifted heavily from vast elements of Japanese culture and 70's anime.

Yup. There's a lot of Buddhist and Eastern philosophy behind the Force. "Obi-Wan Kenobi" is a faux-Japanese name for a character that Lucas originally asked Toshiro Mifune to play. (If he'd accepted, I wonder who would've played the younger Obi-Wan in the prequels and animation.) "Yoda" is an actual Japanese surname, and Yoda-speak is similar to Japanese word order.

 

[Timofnine]

I keep hearing people say that, but nobody ever explains what they mean by it. I don't see anything about Prodigy that's specifically similar to Star Wars as opposed to plenty of other things out there.




Yup. There's a lot of Buddhist and Eastern philosophy behind the Force. "Obi-Wan Kenobi" is a faux-Japanese name for a character that Lucas originally asked Toshiro Mifune to play. (If he'd accepted, I wonder who would've played the younger Obi-Wan in the prequels and animation.) "Yoda" is an actual Japanese surname, and Yoda-speak is similar to Japanese word order.

I know a lot about Buddhism, George Lucas must do so too. Cool, I may like his franchise then. I do like Indiana Jones too which has bible stuff in.

Here is an article to explain the early Prodigy episodes similarities to Star Wars. I know of the things mentioned relating to Star Wars but can’t truly comment on comparisons until I have seen Star Wars one day… *perhaps*.

https://musingsofamiddleagedgeek.bl...-trek-aiming-for-the-next-generation-of-fans/

I myself view the ‘Star Wars like’ Vau Na’Kat storyline to be a result of two things: first of all it is different in tone to usual Star Trek which makes it seem like Star Wars to me. Some of the characters look quite Star Wars like too, in particular Gwyn, the robots and planet etc. Secondly, the Solum storyline in my opinion comes across as being an independent piece of sci fi fantasy writing that some one typed up years ago and inserted in to a Star Trek series to get it produced and given visibility to a mass market. Just impressions that I get, but I could be wrong. I often am.

 

[fireproof78]

I think it's designed like a mass market appealing show, and don't see any of the "Star Wars" elements beyond faint similarities that I see in other kids shows of this era. I think it's grasping at straws because that happens to be the author's reference point, since Trek animation has not hewed this close to children's animation in the same time frame as SW animation.

Again, the "youngsters escape and go on an adventure" is a trope that goes way beyond Star Wars so the similarities are superficial at best. Certainly not something I find holds with any weight. I think it's just audience members reading in what they want to see. I could see Gwyn being a riff on a Na'Vi. Is that accurate?

 

[Wouter]

One videogame reviewer (review for Supernova) called Gwyn a "Jamaican elf".