He used the wrong terminology, but it's not like you didn't know what he meant.
Let's continue TOS
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He used the wrong terminology, but it's not like you didn't know what he meant.
I tend to think of it as writing as they would, telling the kind of story they would, writing dialogue as they spoke.
For example, in my fanfic "Image of the Invisible", Uhura describes one of the characters as a "real absent-minded professor type". It's a phrase I believe I've heard on other 50s and 60s written/set shows.
For example, in my fanfic "Image of the Invisible", Uhura describes one of the characters as a "real absent-minded professor type". It's a phrase I believe I've heard on other 50s and 60s written/set shows.
I agree. I enjoyed ENT but that's a missed opportunity for me. They certainly could have captured that spirit without aping TOS
Pretty much. When you hear slang and technical jargon that simply didn’t exist back in the day it can be jarring.
To be clear when you’re doing a contemporary production that is also clearly a reboot of some form or other then you’re free to do whatever you want. Fine. But insisting it’s the same continuity as the original decades old production then suspension of disbelief becomes an issue.
Thats why I dismiss ENT, DSC and SNW as being of the same continuity as TOS—they’re clearly not. So in my view they can do whatever they want on those productions as it has no bearing whatsoever on TOS. I don’t worry about trying to rationalize inconsistencies because it doesn’t matter—there are no inconsistencies where there is no shared continuity.
A contemporary production cannot continue TOS because contemporary worldviews and sensibilities and even expectations are different than they were fifty years ago. Fine. Stick to reboots and hope you manage to pull off something worthwhile.
The only hope there could be for the continuation of TOS is a fan based unofficial production, but only if they can resist the fanboyish tendencies that tend to infect most if not all fan productions. To my knowledge the only fan productions that came close are Star Trek Continues and Starship Exeter.
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Immerse yourself in other shows of the era, particularly westerns, to get the tone right.
Yup. While I would applaud the attempt, and not a fan film attempt, it would involve surmounting multiple obstacles. At this time I do not believe any one would attempt it with any seriousness or sincerity. I am content with SNW and KELVIN Trek and TOS on VHS.
ENT, DSC and SNW are due to time traveling changes?
They're due to being produced in the 21st century
ENT, DSC and SNW are due to being told by a different narrator.
I have realized after a little while on this forum that I can't really communicate with TOS Fundamentalists. To admire something created just as it was, that's completely natural. To demand that no one ever revisit and old idea without somehow making it an exact copy of what came before exhibits the kind of derangement that can develop in fandom.
And frankly you can see that in arguments that a fan production like STC didn't hit the mark because, essentially, they got a little bit creative. These people have no real interest in a story, or in a continuation. They want the feeling. That's fine I guess. But I'll take my ritual theater in a stone amphitheater with masks and a chanting chorus, thanks.
And frankly you can see that in arguments that a fan production like STC didn't hit the mark because, essentially, they got a little bit creative. These people have no real interest in a story, or in a continuation. They want the feeling. That's fine I guess. But I'll take my ritual theater in a stone amphitheater with masks and a chanting chorus, thanks.
I have found that for some viewers, part of their head canon is that the stuff that happened in Star Trek: First Contact altered the timeline, and what we saw in ENT was a result of that.
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Just shows made in different eras. A world seen through different eyes.
Otherwise you're stuck with "no women captains" (and Star Trek Continues made a cringy episode trying to justify that) and a modern Trek that treats TOS like some of it happened, and some probably differently.
It comes down to whether you're willing to accept a modernised continuation of TOS (which is thematically SNW, whether officially prequel or not), or a period piece with all the baggage that entails.
I have a different view in my personal head-canon. Due to the Temporal Wars, things changed. So, during SNW and the first two seasons of DSC, we're seeing the version of the 23rd Century that resulted from the Temporal Wars. As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek continuity has become like comic books. TOS-ENT is "Pre-Crisis", DSC and on is "Post-Crisis".
But I'm not particularly married to that idea. I'm just posting it for the sake of having something to throw out there for whenever the Canon/Timeline topic ever comes up on the board.
The way it really happens for me in real life is, I look at each of these shows and decide: "Do I like it: yes or no?" My answer for ENT was "no". My answer for DSC was "yes". My answer for SNW was "yes, but... " At the end of the day, it's just a bunch of TV shows.
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it's alright to let continuity have gaps and outright errors. The opposite is that you get some future showrunner that tries to enact a fix of Chibnail like proportions and makes it all much worse. SNW has done an outstanding job of getting the look and feel of TOS that can be enjoyed by actual people without having to pretend to make a show in the 60s.
Last thing I'll say about SNW, then I'm moving on. What I'm really looking the most at are the execution of the stories and the characters. La'an and Number One are my favorite characters. Sometimes the story of the week doesn't grab me, so that's where the characters have to make it up on their end. A lot of the stories feel like "been there, done that" to me. It's impossible to avoid that after hundreds of pre-existing hours of episodic Trek. So I look more at "do I like the angle they're approaching this story from?" I have to be in the mood for it because "been there, done that" gets a little boring after a while.
I think if people are fixated on the continuity and only the continuity, then they've lost track of the fact that the purpose of all this is to entertain, and they should step away if it's not entertaining them.
But now we're getting off-topic. Back on-topic: I think it's possible that eventually SNW will overlap with TOS. I don't know how far it will extend, that's all speculation, but it'll be interesting. Both to see what they'd do and what the (over)reactions would be.
they'll be a thread counting the nose hairs on Paul Wesley to see if it matches Shatner. How many pages is the funny-angle-bridgeapalooza gone to?
That's one of the reasons why I don't post in that forum.
I always have the question of what makes a reboot a reboot? If it is completely disconnected from past production teams?
I don't consider myself a "TOS fundamentalist." However, one thing that does annoy me is when someone uses a past popular franchise to promote their own far less imaginative production years after the fact. Take "Prometheus" for example. It was clearly meant to be a prequel to the original "Alien," but between the continuity issues and the fact that the story was silly, the acting was shit, and the characters were so unlikeable, it basically made a disservice to the original film's universe it was trying to shoehorn itself into.
