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Continuing the Cushingverse

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This thread arises from a thought that’s been kicking around in the back of my head since catching a bit of the Cushing DW movies on the wonderful Talking Pictures tv channel recently. Decided to post it as a result of some of you discussing the Cushing movies in the thread about the 70th anniversary of DW.

So, what I was thinking was, while the Cushing Doctor (or Doctor Who) is not the Hartnell version, he is clearly inspired by him. He’s not identical but wears similar clothing and is an elderly, white-haired professorial crotchety type. He is accompanied by Susan, Barbara (though unlike in the tv show, she too is the Doctor’s granddaughter) and Ian. And his adventures are based on ones which Hartnell’s Doctor had. Cushing was apparently cast because he was better known to international audiences than William was.

So let’s imagine that the series of films had continued parallel with DW the series, but as Hartnell left and was replaced in the tv show, the producers of the films had also replaced Cushing with actors who were reminiscent of the television successors. Again, not identical, but recognisable as, well, variants of the originals.

I like the idea of Ron Moody as an alternate to Patrick Troughton (he apparently rejected the chance to become the Third Doctor, according to his IMDb page). He also works as being better known to film audiences, given his Oscar nomination for Oliver!

I could see Danny Kaye as a big screen version of Jon Pertwee (I’m cheating a bit here as he was American but I can’t think of an English choice as good!)

Finding a variant of the one-off that is Tom Baker is even harder. Simon Callow springs to mind but he would’ve been a little too young at the time (born 1979). Maybe Robert Stephens, though he lacked Tom’s quirk.

With Five, we’re looking at a youngish more conventional leading man. I can imagine a young and still pretty Jeremy Irons (who was going global in a cricket jumper with Brideshead Revisited around the same time as Peter was rocking a similar outfit) as a slightly more sinister version on the big screen).

Six and Seven I am struggling with as both were very distinct actors, with not too many lookalikes or actors reminiscent of them among the British leading men of the 1980s.

With nuWho and the lines between tv and movie stardom blurring, it becomes less likely that they’d need to distinguish but I can imagine Sean Bean as Nine or Eddie Redmayne as Eleven, for example.

Anyway. Just a bit of nonsense time wasting and mulling on my part but who would be your cinematic Two to Seven (or beyond)?
 
They started with novelizations of the two movies then carried the idea forward, with "novelizations" of movies based on or inspired by TV stories, but changed by virtue of the different casts and the changes in movie making as time went by, drawing on things that happened with Amicus and other companies. There's also a book of short stories adapting the Dr Who radio series spun off from the movies in the 1970s. Lots of fun.
 
One of these days, I really need to sit down and watch both of those films. I'm surprised I've never watched them.
 
They started with novelizations of the two movies then carried the idea forward, with "novelizations" of movies based on or inspired by TV stories, but changed by virtue of the different casts and the changes in movie making as time went by, drawing on things that happened with Amicus and other companies. There's also a book of short stories adapting the Dr Who radio series spun off from the movies in the 1970s. Lots of fun.
I'd actually pitched Dr. Who And The Crypt Of The Cyber-Men to BBC books in about 2002, 2003, so the urge among some authors and readers to have more Cushing stories goes back q long while...
 
Are those books actually any good beyond the novelty value? They're not exactly cheap even just for the ebook versions and I don't want to end up wasting my money.
 
Are those books actually any good beyond the novelty value? They're not exactly cheap even just for the ebook versions and I don't want to end up wasting my money.

There were only supposed to be four books originally. There are more because enough people enjoy them. I like them; there's a lot of thought put into the behind the scenes stuff -- which TV stories might be adapted into movies, which characters would appear, how they'd be cast, how the move into the '70s would aim them at a somewhat older audience. And at the book writing level there's a decent amount of thought, too. The writers strive to tell stories that build on familiar tales in interesting new ways without being just a stunt. I don't know if it's been confirmed who's been writing the novels, but as I understand it they include some familiar names, if you're into Doctor Who books. They're also more or less limited editions because they're not licenced, they're nonprofit books raising money for charities. They won't necessarily be available much longer.
 
This thread arises from a thought that’s been kicking around in the back of my head since catching a bit of the Cushing DW movies on the wonderful Talking Pictures tv channel recently. Decided to post it as a result of some of you discussing the Cushing movies in the thread about the 70th anniversary of DW.

So, what I was thinking was, while the Cushing Doctor (or Doctor Who) is not the Hartnell version, he is clearly inspired by him. He’s not identical but wears similar clothing and is an elderly, white-haired professorial crotchety type. He is accompanied by Susan, Barbara (though unlike in the tv show, she too is the Doctor’s granddaughter) and Ian. And his adventures are based on ones which Hartnell’s Doctor had. Cushing was apparently cast because he was better known to international audiences than William was.

Definitely albino-haired for sure. Crotchety? He came across more as a lampoon, right down to reading kiddie comics while the other house inhabitants were reading all that complex brainy specs stuff. The 70s had so much more tact with character balance, look at Romana II in later-season 17 and 18 for quick example.

I recall Ian being a bit of a Maxwell Smart-style bumbler too.

The only reason Doctor Who was old was because the TV show had the character looking old as well. As to which one was a more 3D character and not caricature, that one's easy to answer (hint: it's not the movie version.)

So let’s imagine that the series of films had continued parallel with DW the series, but as Hartnell left and was replaced in the tv show, the producers of the films had also replaced Cushing with actors who were reminiscent of the television successors. Again, not identical, but recognisable as, well, variants of the originals.

That's an interesting idea. If Troughton didn't work out, or if the makers took inspiration from the films... but would the show have made it as long if Troughton and what he brought to the role (as produced and filmed/taped) weren't available?

I like the idea of Ron Moody as an alternate to Patrick Troughton (he apparently rejected the chance to become the Third Doctor, according to his IMDb page). He also works as being better known to film audiences, given his Oscar nomination for Oliver!

I could see Danny Kaye as a big screen version of Jon Pertwee (I’m cheating a bit here as he was American but I can’t think of an English choice as good!)

Danny might have been good.

Finding a variant of the one-off that is Tom Baker is even harder. Simon Callow springs to mind but he would’ve been a little too young at the time (born 1979). Maybe Robert Stephens, though he lacked Tom’s quirk.

With Five, we’re looking at a youngish more conventional leading man. I can imagine a young and still pretty Jeremy Irons (who was going global in a cricket jumper with Brideshead Revisited around the same time as Peter was rocking a similar outfit) as a slightly more sinister version on the big screen).

Six and Seven I am struggling with as both were very distinct actors, with not too many lookalikes or actors reminiscent of them among the British leading men of the 1980s.

With nuWho and the lines between tv and movie stardom blurring, it becomes less likely that they’d need to distinguish but I can imagine Sean Bean as Nine or Eddie Redmayne as Eleven, for example.

Anyway. Just a bit of nonsense time wasting and mulling on my part but who would be your cinematic Two to Seven (or beyond)?

Either which way, it's hard to think who would have bested the officially cast actors for 2-7.

Christopher Reeve might make a decent 5, nothing his mannerisms as Clark Kent.

Peter Falk as 7 is too obvious (and justly worthy!)... :D

Robin Williams as 6? Not Jim Carrey, who's more akin to 10.
 
Thought: The Cushing Doctor is an aged-up Caractacus Potts and Susan and Barbara are either Jeremy or Jemima's kids. In his third incarnation, he would fondly remember one of his previous projects with Bessie. The flying bit was improved upon with the Whomobile.
 
This recent article made me wonder about a way to introduce the Cushing Doctor:
https://futurism.com/the-byte/traveling-faster-than-light-physics

Now I always thought of the TARDIS as a tessaract in a texture…but perhaps with a malfunction of some kind…the TARDIS internalizes Heisenberg after a fashion…and tapping into possibilities may also explain regeneration…maybe the sideways slip in time from “Inferno” left a gap in that universe that may never have known a Doctor…once a thing has been made…it cannot be unmade…an an all-Earth TARDIS possibly was made manifest an instant after Pertwee left.

Once a Doctor does a sideslip—there must always be a Doctor there.

Cloning by incursion into a universe-set where there wasn’t a Time Lord.
 
The only thing that is a bit off with the Cushing movies and sorry to reply to a topic from January, but anyway this version of The Doctor his actual name was Dr Who, at least in one of the movies he introduced himself as Dr Who.
 
In The War Machines the computer states " Dr Who is required", so it is not like this was just the movies, and with quite a few times in Hartnell's run was Doctor Who infered to be he name.

But i think that at some point the 2 Cushing movies will be brought into the fold, and we could see a nice 3 boxsrt movies set with McGanns movie, just to tie up any loose ends with the movies.
 
The UK DVD of the TV movie came out in 2001. It took another ten years before they could sort out the rights to do a North American edition. Meanwhile, the Cushing movies are owned by another company entirely, which seems perfectly happy releasing its own DVDs and blu rays.
 
Did you guys know there were planned audio adventures which would have starred Cushing produced for radio in the sixties?
 
In The War Machines the computer states " Dr Who is required", so it is not like this was just the movies, and with quite a few times in Hartnell's run was Doctor Who infered to be he name.

But i think that at some point the 2 Cushing movies will be brought into the fold, and we could see a nice 3 boxsrt movies set with McGanns movie, just to tie up any loose ends with the movies.
Didn't Hartnell say something along the lines of "Who? Doctor Who did you call me?"

I think it's been used as an in-joke a few other times as well.
 
There are quite a few mentions of Hartnell doctor being refered to as Doctor who throughout his run, and i am sure in one episide he is called Doctor who, but in German.
 
I have long considered Pete's World where the Meta-Crisis Doctor enended up was supposed to be Cushing's universe.

I would presume the Meta-Crisis Doctor found Cushing's Tardis...
 
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