What is your favourite moment from a Star Trek episode or movie you consider bad or mediocre?

[Tupperfan]

Season 2 of PIC was hot garbage,

The Q and Picard stuff in the PIC S2 finale

PIC season 2 was extremely disappointing and even most Q moments and motivations were weak, at best, but that exchange in the finale was a satisfying scene.

Another great scene from PIC's S2 was the character's introduction to the 21st century with the California Dreamin cover. It was before shit truly hit the fan, though, as the season still somewhat showed promise by then.

 

[Vger23]

The outdoor location scenes in “Let He Who Is Without Sin…” are all pretty gorgeous. They really sold Risa as a paradise planet for the first time in the franchise.

 

[Vger23]

PIC season 2 was extremely disappointing and even most Q moments and motivations were weak, at best, but that exchange in the finale was a satisfying scene.

Another great scene from PIC's S2 was the character's introduction to the 21st century with the California Dreamin cover. It was before shit truly hit the fan, though, as the season still somewhat showed promise by then.

The first 2-3 episodes were fascinating and really quite exciting. The middle episodes were really lacking…like bad (and I’m typically an apologist). The last episodes were ok.

 

[Oddish]

The one good thing about Nemesis was the wedding scene....Picard's banter, Data singing "Blue Skies," Worf groaning....

No disagreement here.

 

[maneth]

I really can't stand Spock's Brain, but I think Nimoy does an amazing job with the acting. That dead-eyed stare of his is quite scary!

 

[Gul Sengosts]

Regarding the wedding scene, one thing that's really grating though is Data's "Ladies and gentlemen and invited transgendered species" line... eugh

 

[Qonundrum]

The outdoor location scenes in “Let He Who Is Without Sin…” are all pretty gorgeous. They really sold Risa as a paradise planet for the first time in the franchise.

Then came all that rain. I sorta liked that more in a way. It made everyone frumpy and Ensign Ro was nowhere to be found and thus not responsible for making the clique have to come back down. TNG was the anti-B7 for sure...

 

[Vger23]

The very end of Data’s Day, with the reveal twist, is pretty awesome in an otherwise completely banal and meaningless episode.

 

[Oddish]

"The Loss..." we see that the paranoid android doesn't get sarcasm yet.

DATA: "A resumption of our present course at warp six will place us in the T'lli Beta system in six days, thirteen hours, forty seven minutes."
RIKER: "What, no seconds?"
DATA: "I have discovered, sir, a certain level of impatience when I calculate a lengthy time interval to the nearest second. However, if you wish..."
RIKER (quickly): "No, no. Minutes is fine."

 

[Nombrecomun]

I'm sure these have all been mentioned:

1. TFF: both camping scenes

2. UC: Conversation between Kirk and Spock in which Kirk mentions that he doesn't trust Klingons and would prefer to let them die. They are both standing at a distance. Spock is in the light. Kirk in the shadows. Fantastic scene.

3. GEN: Conversation between Picard and Data in which Data is requesting to be deactivated. I appreciated the commanding nature of Picard needing his officer to carry out his duties and still being empathic with what Data was going through.

4. INS: when Geordi gets to see the sun with his own eyes.

5. STID: the scene in which 'Mickey Smith' goes to Section 31 to blow it up. You can feel the weight of the world on him. No dialog. Just pure presence.

6. STB: the opening sequence showing the Enterprise crew dealing with the effects of a long-term space mission as Kirk walks around observing and also feeling the effects of the mission. You get the feeling that professionalism has taken a hit and that humans weren't ready for this. I wish the movie had more of that type of introspective feel rather than wham blammo nonsense action scenes.

 

[Vger23]

Datalore: The Crystaline Entity is a fascinating adversary

Haven: The rehearsal dinner is fun, and the desert holodeck program has a cool look to it.

 

[Gul Sengosts]

TNG: Qpid -- Geordi jollily plays his lute until Worf grabs it, smashes it into a tree, hands it back and says "...sorry."

 

[Robin Bland]

After a recent discussion in the controversial Star Trek opinions thread were some posters debated that even bad Star Trek had their great scenes or character moments, I started to ponder about it a bit more. There is so much Trek material that you will definitely find some good in episodes or movies that were deemed not so great.

And in this day and age, where we can easily watch selected moments (to the point that some popular franchises now seem to focus on these) online, I was wondering what were your favourite ones from episodes or movies that you otherwise didn't enjoy much.

There's a few I could have selected to get this thread going, but the one that I always come back to is the mountain climbing scene in Star Trek V. The music is beautiful, the location filming is stunning and it sets the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio perfectly.

The following scene around the campfire is also wonderful. It's such a great start to a movie and it's truly too bad that the rest of the movie can't keep that energy going.

What about you?

Funnily enough, I just watched STV: TFF last night, on spangly remastered UHD - from which the look of the movie really benefits - it's fresh in my mind. I first saw it in Boston in 1989 in a really lousy theatre, that had a rip in its screen and terrible sound, so that stays with me. It looks better now than I've ever seen it and there's some lovely cinematography.

There are so many aspects of this film that don't work for me, but I do also love that opening, and Goldsmith's score throughout. It's really beautiful, and remains one of my fave Trek soundtracks. There are also loads of little character moments throughout that are fun, and others that are so broad they fall as flat now as they did for me back in 1989.

Laurence Luckinbill is great as Sybok - one of the best things in the whole film. A moment he really sells is when he's in the officer's lounge talking about his vision from God, and Kirk accuses him of being insane. "Am I?" Sybok looks momentarily genuinely confused before smiling... "We'll see." Luckinbill's so good! An offbeat, sympathetic villain, throughout.

Equally, same scene, a few moments prior, Kirk arguing that he "needs his pain," it's what "makes us who we are." It's a compelling moment, and there are instances like this throughout the film. Tonally, the script is all over the place - humor at the cost of the characters (such as Scotty's Jeffries tube moment) that often serves to undercut the serious message of the overall story. There are issues with Shatner's direction and inability to figure out the general tone, but boy, I really wish someone had polished that script and softened some of the dumber supposed LOL moments.

 

[fireproof78]

Equally, same scene, a few moments prior, Kirk arguing that he "needs his pain," it's what "makes us who we are." It's a compelling moment, and there are instances like this throughout the film. Tonally, the script is all over the place - humor at the cost of the characters (such as Scotty's Jeffries tube moment) that often serves to undercut the serious message of the overall story. There are issues with Shatner's direction and inability to figure out the general tone, but boy, I really wish someone had polished that script and softened some of the dumber supposed LOL moments.

Unfortunately, the studio wanted a comedy and Shatner wanted a drama...

 

[Oddish]

It should have been...

KIRK: "I need my pain."
SYBOK: "OK."
He stomps hard on Kirk's foot. With his Vulcan enhanced strength, bones break. Kirk falls to the deck with a bellow of agony.
KIRK: "I didn't need THAT pain!"

 

[Gul Sengosts]

Unfortunately, the studio wanted a comedy and Shatner wanted a drama...

Well to be honest, Shatner trying drama often turns out to be comedy gold

 

[Robin Bland]

Unfortunately, the studio wanted a comedy and Shatner wanted a drama...

I don't think Shatner knows the difference between comedy and drama, so what we get from him is tragedy.

 

[Oddish]

Well, he had starring roles in three relatively successful TV series (and seven Trek movies), so he can't be that bad as an actor.

 

[Robin Bland]

Well, he had starring roles in three relatively successful TV series (and seven Trek movies), so he can't be that bad as an actor.

Never explain the joke.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think Shatner knows the difference between comedy and drama, so what we get from him is tragedy.

Shakespeare would be proud.