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What is your favourite moment from a Star Trek episode or movie you consider bad or mediocre?

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After a recent discussion in the controversial Star Trek opinions thread were some posters debated that even bad Star Trek had their great scenes or character moments, I started to ponder about it a bit more. There is so much Trek material that you will definitely find some good in episodes or movies that were deemed not so great.

And in this day and age, where we can easily watch selected moments (to the point that some popular franchises now seem to focus on these) online, I was wondering what were your favourite ones from episodes or movies that you otherwise didn't enjoy much.

There's a few I could have selected to get this thread going, but the one that I always come back to is the mountain climbing scene in Star Trek V. The music is beautiful, the location filming is stunning and it sets the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio perfectly.

The following scene around the campfire is also wonderful. It's such a great start to a movie and it's truly too bad that the rest of the movie can't keep that energy going.

What about you?
 
Paradise City in STV is a pretty interesting concept and the set was also very well done.

If the movie had been about that instead of yet another "We found god, but it's an aliens" storyline I might not dislike that movie so much.
(assuming they'd also remove those awful camp fire sing-along scenes :barf:)
 
I'll play, as I've done a 'defend an episode' thread before.

"LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN..." from DS9... the fourth worst episode in the entire series. (Only "PROFIT AND LACE", "PRODIGAL DAUGHTER", and "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOAK" are worse, I feel.)

Worf talking to Dax about the childhood incident. A good scene that explains the why of Worf in an otherwise terrible episode.
 
Resistance, Voyager.

A mediocre episode in my eyes. Generic baddies, not a particular spectacular plot. Wholly forgettable.

Except for the Caylem death scene, where Janeway, whom he thinks is his long-dead daughter, finally accepts that role and releases him from a lifetime of guilt, saying she and her mother forgive him.
 
Resistance, Voyager.

A mediocre episode in my eyes. Generic baddies, not a particular spectacular plot. Wholly forgettable.

Except for the Caylem death scene, where Janeway, whom he thinks is his long-dead daughter, finally accepts that role and releases him from a lifetime of guilt, saying she and her mother forgive him.

I actually really like "RESISTANCE", but it is entirely due to Joel Grey's performance. And that final moment with him and Janeway was excellent.

Had anyone else been cast as Caylem, this would have been an entirely forgettable and mediocre episode.
 
From ST V:

"Dammit, Bones, you're a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away! I NEED MY PAIN!"

Probably the greatest Kirk/Spock/McCoy moment in the entire history of Trek. As controversial as ST V is, as much as we all might like to claim we hate it or we think it sucks - that one scene justifies the whole thing.
 
About the movies:

I love the ramming scene in NEMESIS. The movie's otherwise a mixed bag that's also trying to get back to basics (and is the first in a very long time to be a completely serious outing - kudos), but that scene was phenomenal. I'll be doing a rewatch soon; there are bound to be scenes other than deleted ones that are actually of high caliber. Every movie, no matter how bad, still has a diamond in the rough, as you'd indicated. :like:

INSURRECTION had a pretty novel dogfight scene too, and Anthony Zerbe's admiral gets killed in a way very similar to how his character in 1989's "Licence to Kill" had. But NEM's plot blows INS out of the water. IMHO, INS is the most ridiculous by far...

FIRST CONTACT had Lily standing her own against Picard (Alfre Woodard steals the show), and I can't deny the Borg queen (Alice Krige) grew on me.

GENERATIONS has the lifeforms song and, you guessed it, another awesome dogfight scene. With crash. Come to think of it, if Data's in the scene, it's pretty good. The movie is surprisingly good, considering the time constraints behind it and the checklist of things to do, the only thing missing was the final checkbox reading "Blow into Legend of Zelda cartridge or else the NES won't load it right"...

TFF has aged better for me in some ways; I never hated it at the time, but felt it was a step down. Rewatching, any scene that wasn't trying for self-parody is rather solid. If Shatner was allowed more of the serious angle and not the self-parody, which was brought in thanks to TVH's use of it being too popular for the franchise's own good...

TVH is one that - when all is said and done - I tend to dislike more than the others, but keeping the underlying theme with the Klingons was a shrewd move. Not to mention, prior to home video, the only way to get a recap for continual narrative was to find a cozy way to implement footage. Nobody discussed the canonical value of how the destruction of NCC-1701 was recorded in such pristine quality, and trust me, in 1984 - despite the spoiler-driven commercials and teasers - III and seeing 1701 destroyed was a HUGE and duly weighty event. Now, if technology never developed, this would be a rather different talking point, but I digress...

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I wish more of the movie focused on THAT, instead of the clown chowder served for the following 90 minutes. Not that I'm opinionated or anything... But even the WTF moment of "You pompous ***!", which somehow managed to be overlooked by Gene himself when one considered how vocal he was about VI showing Federation citizens in a bad light, sheesh, definitely shows a more compelling story than a probe looking for the sounds of whales breeding... That'd be a good 30 minutes of subplot alone, to find out who said it, and why*,**.

* that line sorta ties into the undercurrents of VI, too...
** the intrigue of the commenter in the courtroom, as I don't know of anyone who finds the noises of amorous whales to be even remotely interesting... oh well, at least the movie got big novel as a sequel that delves into the probe...




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Riker's speech in "Angel One", about how the planet is evolving toward a society of equality.

And, Wes in "When the Bough Breaks", solving a problem not like a prodigy, but like the teenager he is.
 
The deleted scenes from Nemesis.

I'm serious. The best parts of the movie were left out, and would have elevated the film from a total dumpster fire into a somber and poignant ending for the TNG cast. It would still not be my favorite, still far from it, (killing off Data or, really, anyone, would be an easy way to piss me off on the first viewing, especially in the final film of the series with no hope for a resurrection story later on) but I would probably end up rating it around the middle of the movies in my ratings, somewhere around 'Generations' or 'The Undiscovered Country' in years to come.
 
There's a few I could have selected to get this thread going, but the one that I always come back to is the mountain climbing scene in Star Trek V. The music is beautiful, the location filming is stunning and it sets the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio perfectly.
This is probably the top tier scene for me of a film that I don't find very rewatchable, but that scene absolutely is.
 
Up the Long Ladder. Someone needed to tell Riker that killing your own clone is still murder.

But the replicator scene with Worf and Odell was pretty funny. "A wee drop of the creature" indeed.
 
Some TV eps:


Aquiel: The revelation of the blobby critter, as exemplified by the hand that pokes up out of the container Crusher was examining.

Unification II: The discussion between Spock and Picard is a standout scene, even if the rest of the episode is a mess.

The Empath: The most superficial and padded-loaded storyline, there's this jaw-dropping gem of a scene:

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Only Spock would call McCoy's decision, of all things, "unethical". And the clip ends with Gem shedding a tear. It just about makes up for everything preceding it.

The Omega Glory: Morgan Woodard command in this episode, and the story's opening - which suggests a nice mystery/suspense plot - is finding the reason for why a crew of people on a starship all died horrible deaths and turned into big alum crystal piles (and how the Enterprise crew also have the malady and need to find a cure.)

Descent II: The concluding episode may be a shark jumper, but it still had this fun little camptacular moment:
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(Note that Lore is pumping Data's favorite anti-drug at just the right time, since sober Data would never feel delight at anticipation of his best friend about to be murdered and stuff.)

Spock's Brain: The show got budget cuts, but they sure did spend on a nice backlit projection screen and some terrific use of it in the episode that actually felt refreshing and new, especially for the premiere of the ill-fated third season. And, of course, the ol' standby of "BRAIN AND BRAIN! WHAT IS BRAIN!!!" Actually, Marj Dusay is another actor in a select handful therein, of actors who took an iffy role and put in a really good performance.

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Pretty solid acting considering how much cringe the story was back then... Am amazed that youtube doesn't have fifty remixes of that phrase yet... I recall a later scene where she gets to turn all evil and wield a phaser. Couldn't find a youtube, but some Trek episodes allow an actor to show some range and she had range that ranks up there with Shatner's and plenty of Trek episodes show him being subtle and very much on the mark as well...

Code of Honor: More or less a bunch of scenes: Jessie Lawrence Ferguson, who easily commands every scene he's in, is the perfect actor to complement Patrick Stewart. Both are fantastic actors. In this story, both have incredibly bad dialogue. Dialogue so bad that it made that day at the zoo where all the elephants had simultaneous and massive tummy troubles seem more less stressful to observe by comparison. And yet, here they are, both actors, both elevating dialogue to something that's surprisingly watchable and far better than the episode deserved to be, though in fairness the episode is chock full of half-baked, corn-filled scenes. Indeed, Picard wants Geordi to focus on the weapons' sharp edges, instead of Data who - you know - can't be killed by the weapons and what might be laced on them, as a later scene is quick to reveal for uberscary dramatic effect... sigh... The points others said are points I'd second as well; the fight scene is solid and the Geordi/Data seen should not be missed as it's also a highlight.

Turnabout Intruder: I've said it before and will happily say it again. Any scene with Sandra Smith and William Shatner prop this podgehodge of a story up more than it deserves to be, because both excel and really sell the concept of minds transferred into other bodies. Even better, they don't go over the top or act it amateurishly as much as other shows and casts might do with similar material. (Red Dward's episode "Bodyswap" is another example of mind swapping done extremely well.)


Threshold: Apart from SF Debris' review, the episode also gave us... well, this review and I can't get enough of this channel:

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