DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

[kirk55555]

So yeah. I mean we're talking about it right now but it seems to be on other peoples minds.

https://twitter.com/TheDC_Syndicate/status/1603260738881359872

It's sad that people want some "hook/incentive" to go see these movies. Seriously "What's the point?" How about just enjoying it for what it is?

Yeah, I LOVE connected universes, and it should be what Marvel and DC go for, but there is nothing wrong with the occasional stand alone film, and 3 of those four films are sequels anyway. Even if we don't get, for example, a Shazam 3 (which isn't even guarenteed to not happen, Gunn never said that everything is getting rebooted), if you liked Shazam 1 you're probably going to want to watch the sequel, same with Aquaman.

People that are trying to act like the films are worthless now wouldn't have survived the 90s/2000s. Imagine not watching Del Toro's excellent Hellboy films because they didn't have a final film, or not watching Blade 1 & 2 because he never meets Moon Knight or whatever. Does that mean these people are also never going to watch the Tim Burton Batman films ever again, because they never connected to anything? Will they throw away their copies of Wonder Woman and Aquaman because those characters never get a real finale? The Superhero universe concept is amazing and I'll always prefer it, but ignoring films because they might not be in one is odd.

No one is obliged to watch anything, and its fine to not watch any particular film for whatever reason you want, but this specific problem is just weird. I mean, I get that this attitude is coming mostly from Snyder Cultists, who never were ones for logic and also generally seem to love being hypocrites, but it still feels like a ridiculous excuse to not watch a movie. If they honestly think the films look bad then thats all the reason they need not to watch them, trying to use the lack of connection is just an excuse to complain about James Gunn and the final confirmation that they aren't getting anymore Snyder stuff.

 

[Christopher]

From what Gunn has been posting on Twitter. It looks like he's aiming to do a young (year two) Superman. First time meeting Lois, Jimmy and Perry and working as a journalist. I suspect it'll be something like Grant Morrison's T-shirt and Jeans looks from the New 52 Action Comics and Max Landis' American Alien series.

I find that disappointing. Superman's early years at the Planet have been done to death. That essentially is part of Superman's origin story, a usual part of his debut story in any given medium, from the comics to the radio series to the serial and the Reeves TV series, not to mention the Reeve movie, Lois & Clark, S:TAS, Smallville, etc. (not an exhaustive list).

I like how the Superman narrative in the comics and a number of the adaptations has moved past that early phase to the part where he and Lois are a couple with no secrets between them -- or even skipped right to that part from the get-go, in Man of Steel (which was one of the things I liked about that movie). Going back to the early years seems regressive, as much as the way most modern Spider-Man adaptations have this bizarre need to keep resetting him to high school even though that was only his status quo for the first few years and he's spent the vast majority of his comics history as a college student or graduate.

 

[fireproof78]

People that are trying to act like the films are worthless now wouldn't have survived the 90s/2000s. Imagine not watching Del Toro's excellent Hellboy films because they didn't have a final film, or not watching Blade 1 & 2 because he never meets Moon Knight or whatever. Does that mean these people are also never going to watch the Tim Burton Batman films ever again, because they never connected to anything? Will they throw away their copies of Wonder Woman and Aquaman because those characters never get a real finale? The Superhero universe concept is amazing and I'll always prefer it, but ignoring films because they might not be in one is odd.

Yup. This right here sums up my viewpoint. Living through the 1990s must have been pure torture for all those films that were initially stand alones, and now no longer connecting to anything.

 

[Nerys Myk]

From what Gunn has been posting on Twitter. It looks like he's aiming to do a young (year two) Superman. First time meeting Lois, Jimmy and Perry and working as a journalist. I suspect it'll be something like Grant Morrison's T-shirt and Jeans looks from the New 52 Action Comics and Max Landis' American Alien series.

With how much Gunn has been posting about Lobo. I think we know who his Superman will be fighting first. Not a bad idea. Akin to how the MCU Spider-Man has a early days Peter Parker and low level threats to deal with.

The tweet I saw quoted was

He's not meeting the major characters for the first time, either. He's merely younger.

So it seems he's going for a Superman/Clark with an established career and relationships.

 

[Rich Watson]

Cavill and Gadot have now both been cut out of "The Flash".

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...enry-cavill-is-no-longer-superman-1235283791/

(Third paragraph down.)

 

[Set Harth]

Every time I think we've reached the bottom, it just keeps getting worse. What a fucking shitshow.

 

[USS Firefly]

From what Gunn has been posting on Twitter. It looks like he's aiming to do a young (year two) Superman. First time meeting Lois, Jimmy and Perry and working as a journalist. I suspect it'll be something like Grant Morrison's T-shirt and Jeans looks from the New 52 Action Comics and Max Landis' American Alien series.

With how much Gunn has been posting about Lobo. I think we know who his Superman will be fighting first. Not a bad idea. Akin to how the MCU Spider-Man has a early days Peter Parker and low level threats to deal with.

That sounds disappointing. I would prefer a older more experienced Superman.

 

[Rich Watson]

That sounds disappointing. I would prefer a older more experienced Superman.

It would have been a lot harder to justify dumping Cavill if they did that.

 

[Christopher]

So it seems he's going for a Superman/Clark with an established career and relationships.

Okay, not an origin/beginning story. Still, if it's in the phase where his identity is still secret from Lois, I'll be disappointed.

Cavill and Gadot have now both been cut out of "The Flash".

Oh, good grief. This movie keeps getting yanked around by shifting plans. That doesn't bode well for its eventual quality or coherence.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Every time I think we've reached the bottom, it just keeps getting worse. What a fucking shitshow.

Cutting anyone who recently shot pick-ups for The Flash is a senseless move. Why cut them from a film that is part of a series coming to its end next year? Regarding the excuse that Gadot's part was cut when the Jenkins version of WW3 was axed--again, same observation. Cutting actors from a film only makes sense if there's some plan or production that would be impacted (in any direction) by their presence. Clearly, there's no future for the MoS continuity, so cutting Cavill and Gadot was an assbrained decision.

..and Lobo. Sigh. Never a great or even interesting character.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Cavill and Gadot have now both been cut out of "The Flash".

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...enry-cavill-is-no-longer-superman-1235283791/

(Third paragraph down.)

I saw that. I saw in the article that Beainiac was a go for MOS 2 as well. We missed him again. First with Donner’s Superman 3, then with Singer’s Superman Returns sequel and now Cavil’s series of movies.

Every time I think we've reached the bottom, it just keeps getting worse. What a fucking shitshow.

Or another day ending in ‘y’ at WB.

Forget Darkseid, forget Trigon, forget the Anti-Monitor. WB is the DC universe’s greatest villain.

That sounds disappointing. I would prefer a older more experienced Superman.

When Gunn was tweeting out images of Kingdom Come, I thought that’s what they were planning for Cavil and crew. WB has no plans to wrap up the Darkseid story that Snyder started. And Black Adam was supposed to be the new big bad the JL needed to unite to defeat. Black Adam already having gone through the JSA. Next up was the Black Adam vs Superman movie.

I get they want a clean slate to work with but seeing all the actors phased out abruptly like this is a hard pill to swallow.

 

[The Lensman]

Yup. This right here sums up my viewpoint. Living through the 1990s must have been pure torture for all those films that were initially stand alones, and now no longer connecting to anything.

Yeah, no. No one in the 90’s was doing or selling “shared universes”. That’s the difference. It’s the norm now, People expect it after THIRTY MCU films pushing the concept in a 10 year period, audiences loving it and everyone else trying to do it too. Hollywood and audiences were on a whole different page then. People who are irked about the viewing public’s expectations in regards to superhero movies NOW can direct their ire to Marvel and the audiences who ate that connected universe shit up and made it the norm. Do you know why people don’t have those expectations for “Joker”? Because DC had to make it clear that it wasn’t part of a connected universe. That they had to do that shows how much the expectation of connectivity is there. Because of that people just viewed it as it’s own thing with no expectation of a sequel much less connectivity to other DC films.

 

[Rich Watson]

And Black Adam was supposed to be the new big bad the JL needed to unite to defeat. Black Adam already having gone through the JSA. Next up was the Black Adam vs Superman movie.

All of that only ever existed in Dwayne's imagination.

Incidentally, he's now unfollowed Warners and the Black Adam social media accounts. So I guess he's finally worked out where the hierarchy of power in the DC Universe really is.

 

[YLu]

No one is obliged to watch anything, and its fine to not watch any particular film for whatever reason you want, but this specific problem is just weird. I mean, I get that this attitude is coming mostly from Snyder Cultists, who never were ones for logic and also generally seem to love being hypocrites, but it still feels like a ridiculous excuse to not watch a movie. If they honestly think the films look bad then thats all the reason they need not to watch them, trying to use the lack of connection is just an excuse to complain about James Gunn and the final confirmation that they aren't getting anymore Snyder stuff.

It's strange. You'd think saying a movie was only worth watching because of the sequels it could lead into would be the ultimate *criticism* of a film. Wild to see the biggest fans declaiming it. Far bigger a condemnation than anything haters could come up with.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yeah, no. No one in the 90’s was doing or selling “shared universes”. That’s the difference.

Yeah, but you have some that want to make points using entirely inapplicable references all to attack those who understand studios' intent with a shared universe / continuity. As noted earlier, its quite hypocritical, as some of the same behind these attacks actively support another shared universe franchise that cannot exist or move to the next production without endless Easter eggs, teases and plot points filling their stories.

As you point out, the 1990s had no shared universe productions, so it was not wise for anyone to bring up that decade's various approaches to films at all.

It’s the norm now, People expect it after THIRTY MCU films pushing the concept in a 10 year period, audiences loving it and everyone else trying to do it too

Exactly. DC tried it, and Universal attempted their disastrous "Dark Universe" horror series, so anyone arguing against the expectations audiences have with a shared universe series...yet are pulled along by the approach to hooking viewers with another shared universe...is trolling at this point, as there's not even a whit of sense to what they are posting.

Hollywood and audiences were on a whole different page then. People who are irked about the viewing public’s expectations in regards to superhero movies NOW can direct their ire to Marvel and the audiences who ate that connected universe shit up and made it the norm.

Without question, and since the biggest supporters of that MCU format continue to mainline it, one film and streaming series after another, the studio and public perception is that the shared universe model is what audiences desire with interconnected IPs such s comic-book characters.

Do you know why people don’t have those expectations for “Joker”? Because DC had to make it clear that it wasn’t part of a connected universe. That they had to do that shows how much the expectation of connectivity is there. Because of that people just viewed it as it’s own thing with no expectation of a sequel much less connectivity to other DC films.

Well put.

 

[The Realist]

Still, if it's in the phase where his identity is still secret from Lois, I'll be disappointed.

Very fair point. I'm entirely receptive to whatever Gunn may come with, but Superman stories are always better when Lois knows, and a "Year 2" type of scenario makes that less likely.

The single best story decision Man of Steel made was to have Lois in on the secret from the beginning.

OTOH, while it's my strong preference, it's not an absolute requirement. Superman '78 remains the best adaptation of the character ever, and Lois doesn't know in that one. Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman managed a delightful and romantic first season, and a decent second, with Lois still in the dark.

So I'm open to anything, depending on the execution.

 

[fireproof78]

So, these movies are worthless? That's all I'm asking. I'm not denying audience expectations. I'm questioning the foundational idea that films with no sequel potential are now deemed worthless.

 

[Set Harth]

People expect it after THIRTY MCU films pushing the concept in a 10 year period, audiences loving it and everyone else trying to do it too.

Technically speaking, at the 10 year mark after the release of the first MCU film, there had only been 19 films released. If you give it a few more months you get to 20.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Both timely and timeless, the new Pitch Meeting is for Superman Returns:

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[cooleddie74]

Yeah, I LOVE connected universes, and it should be what Marvel and DC go for, but there is nothing wrong with the occasional stand alone film, and 3 of those four films are sequels anyway. Even if we don't get, for example, a Shazam 3 (which isn't even guarenteed to not happen, Gunn never said that everything is getting rebooted), if you liked Shazam 1 you're probably going to want to watch the sequel, same with Aquaman.

People that are trying to act like the films are worthless now wouldn't have survived the 90s/2000s. Imagine not watching Del Toro's excellent Hellboy films because they didn't have a final film, or not watching Blade 1 & 2 because he never meets Moon Knight or whatever. Does that mean these people are also never going to watch the Tim Burton Batman films ever again, because they never connected to anything? Will they throw away their copies of Wonder Woman and Aquaman because those characters never get a real finale? The Superhero universe concept is amazing and I'll always prefer it, but ignoring films because they might not be in one is odd.

No one is obliged to watch anything, and its fine to not watch any particular film for whatever reason you want, but this specific problem is just weird. I mean, I get that this attitude is coming mostly from Snyder Cultists, who never were ones for logic and also generally seem to love being hypocrites, but it still feels like a ridiculous excuse to not watch a movie. If they honestly think the films look bad then thats all the reason they need not to watch them, trying to use the lack of connection is just an excuse to complain about James Gunn and the final confirmation that they aren't getting anymore Snyder stuff.

Every. Bit. Of. This.