Section 31: I hope it still happens.
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Section 31, a covert not official black ops type unit. Gee, that concept hasn't been DONE TO DEATH in TV and movies. And they wanted to make a series based on that?Good riddance.
How many of them had Cardassians and Andorians?
26 by my count
I've been eager for a Section 31 show since Michelle Yeoh was attached, as she is a brilliant actor, and brings something very different to other Star Trek leads imo. So yes, I also hope it still happens!
Beckwith as in Harlan Ellison's original version of "The City on the Edge of Forever"?
Yes. I was riffing on F. King Daniel's joke about Carl (aka the Guardian) sending Georgiou into the heart of a star, which was Beckwith's fate at the end of Ellison's script.
Gee, Star Trek itself has had now 7 series that are just people on a ship exploring space... after 50 plus years that's been done to death too; yet here we are still enjoying it.Section 31, a covert not official black ops type unit. Gee, that concept hasn't been DONE TO DEATH in TV and movies. And they wanted to make a series based on that?
I'm generally a ST completist (except for having only a handful of comic books, and the only children's novel I have is Mission to Horatius, the very first ST novel ever, predating Spock Must Die), but I think I could happily ignore a S31 series. In fact, I could happily go to my grave knowing there never was one. In fact, maybe it's the existence of a S31 ST series (and not, as I've previously hypothesized, the existence of "Requiem for a Martian") in a given universe that triggers its transformation to a Mirror Universe.
I will note that I am a Bobbsey Twins completist, at least as far as the original series of children's novels are concerned (never read any of the other Stratemeyer series, though). For many months, I was on eBay, acquiring books that had never made it into the "purple" edition, as well as the two that were rewritten beyond recognition for that edition. And when I was on a bookcase-building binge, I actually went so far as to build a bookcase sized specifically for my BT collection, including both the original (foundling) Baby May and the rewritten (baby elephant) version, as well as both the original (sequel to Baby May) Cherry Corners and the rewritten (again almost beyond recognition) version.
I will note that I am a Bobbsey Twins completist, at least as far as the original series of children's novels are concerned (never read any of the other Stratemeyer series, though). For many months, I was on eBay, acquiring books that had never made it into the "purple" edition, as well as the two that were rewritten beyond recognition for that edition. And when I was on a bookcase-building binge, I actually went so far as to build a bookcase sized specifically for my BT collection, including both the original (foundling) Baby May and the rewritten (baby elephant) version, as well as both the original (sequel to Baby May) Cherry Corners and the rewritten (again almost beyond recognition) version.
Enterprise died for a reason.
After eighteen years, four shows, and four feature films, Berman-era Trek had burned itself out.
The fandom DOES get tired of a single format being driven into the ground.
Yeah. Trek is definitely moving in to a more repetitive mode. Just because something has been done before, even to death, doesn't keep it from being done. Section 31 would be welcome compared to the familiar water treading.
For me, at least, the Xindi War was when ENT jumped the shark. Just as the Dominion War was when DS9 jumped.
I've always found it ironic that every time DS9 tried to veer off into a direction that would avoid what JMS was doing with B5, they ended up veering right into B5. If they'd just stuck with the "crossroads in space" concept, they'd have seen B5's natural course diverging from DS9's natural course.
I’ve always considered the best way to avoid franchise fatigue is to ensure each entry in the franchise develops a unique identity - the problem of Voyager and the first two seasons of Enterprise always felt like they were the exact same formula as late stage TNG, in the attempt to chase heyday TNG ratings, rather than really focusing on their unique aspects.
Like say what you will about modern Trek, I would definitely say that each series has its own unique voice and storytelling style. And I can see a series that functionally goes in the “spy thriller” direction having a separate and unique style of its own from the current crop of sister series in the franchise.
Like say what you will about modern Trek, I would definitely say that each series has its own unique voice and storytelling style. And I can see a series that functionally goes in the “spy thriller” direction having a separate and unique style of its own from the current crop of sister series in the franchise.
Both shows did develop their own styles and formulas. They may have started out as being superficially similar to TNG, but each series managed to develop its own style as far as I'm concerned. I find this accusation strange, considering that SNW seems a lot like TOS to me, but with updated special effects.
For me, the problem with those two shows was that they promised something different, but then steered in the TNG direction. By the time they found their distinct voice there was less interest, because it relied on TNG tropes to support falling ratings.
Unfortunately, what Trek often does, and us currently doing, is rest on its laurels. The franchise feels very static, willing to fall back on the familiar beats to ensure enough people keep tuning in. There's no risk.
Indeed and that's unfortunate.
And when they DO take risks (cf., Disco, Picard, Enterprise, DS9, Lower Decks), the Fandom Menace is the first to squawk about how they're "ruining Trek"!
Pick a lane!
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Enterprise and Berman had the last laugh, it was a HUGE success on Netflix, along with the other series, Netflix would have loved another Enterprise like show, instead they got Discovery, and I say this as someone who likes Discovery, we saw how that went (Discovery is not popular with audiences).
Isn't Discovery getting a 5th season? Enterprise didn't.
I'm not a fan of Seasons Three and Four of "Discovery". And I'm not a fan of most of "Enterprise", with the exception of Season Three and a few episodes from other seasons. But I find it hard to hard to accept the idea that either series is a failure, considering that "Discovery" will be airing its fifth season and "Enterprise" managed to last four seasons.
