Still can't work out how that one survived while 'Batgirl' died.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Still can't work out how that one survived while 'Batgirl' died.
He seems to have pinned his hopes on Dwayne's influence (they even have the same Agent) only for him to piss everyone at Warners off by constantly going on about how he was the future of the DCU.
I was a total anti-fan of Snyder's last two movies but ditching Momoa and especially Gadot seems like a terrible, terrible plan. Even if WW84 didn't get the best reviews, Gadot is still brilliant and Momoa's Aquaman was such a hit.
And I think it'd be pretty shitty to just dump Cavill too just after he returned as Clark - he has so much potential to play a classic Superman.
And I think it'd be pretty shitty to just dump Cavill too just after he returned as Clark - he has so much potential to play a classic Superman.
With James Gunn coming on board leading DC movie would they really drop, say, Peacemaker and the remaining characters from The Suicide Squad? Plus, what if Shazam 2 or Blue Beetle end up making good money, would they really just end those movie series? I could see a lot of stuff getting rebooted, but its hard to see literally everything getting wiped away, that feels like an overreaction.
Then again Zaslav gets the final say, and he's a moron, so I guess anything is on the table, regardless of James Gunn's position.
I don't see the problem with that. He's fantastic in those films.
Good God. While THR frames a lot of this as rumor, they're not one to report stuff based on bullshit Twitter or Reddit randos. Their "rumors" are coming from industry sources, no doubt. This sounds like total scorched earth. And just when I had finally started to come 'round to Cavill, and was actively looking forward to his return ....
Well, reading the article carefully, the only thing confirmed by "multiple sources" is that WW3 isn't happening in its current form. Which might just mean the treatment Jenkins & Geoff Johns turned in didn't fit into Gunn & Safran's plan. It doesn't even mean there won't be a WW3, it doesn't even mean Jenkins is out.
Everything else is carefully called "rumors and possible scenarios to consider". The article itself also mentions how closely Gunn & Safran are keeping their plan to their chests until the meeting with Zaszlav next week. Meaning, yeah, even the studio insiders the article's author refers to are doing a lot of guessing. And even then, the article refers to the plan being a "work in progress", so it could still change dramatically.
Nothing wrong with speculation. But it needs to be remembered that it is speculation, and not fact.
Everything else is carefully called "rumors and possible scenarios to consider". The article itself also mentions how closely Gunn & Safran are keeping their plan to their chests until the meeting with Zaszlav next week. Meaning, yeah, even the studio insiders the article's author refers to are doing a lot of guessing. And even then, the article refers to the plan being a "work in progress", so it could still change dramatically.
Nothing wrong with speculation. But it needs to be remembered that it is speculation, and not fact.
It kinda seems like madness if they ditched everything, especially the billion dollar hitters like Aquaman and Wonder Woman. I imagine the Flash movie will be a big hit because Keaton is returning and wasn't a sequel already greenlit? Hard to know; would they put a bow on it and then reboot hard with Momoa coming back as Lobo, maybe Gal Gadot and Cavil return too in some rebooted form. I'd be disappointed if Peacemaker never returned. Where is JJ Abrams in all of this?
https://deadline.com/2022/12/dwayne-johnson-black-adam-box-office-profit-1235191135/
How Black Adam will make a profit. Maybe nobody is interested in this after today.
https://deadline.com/2022/12/dwayne-johnson-black-adam-box-office-profit-1235191135/
How Black Adam will make a profit. Maybe nobody is interested in this after today.
Seems like clickbait at this point, but it would be the most thoughtless decision if any of it were true.
Indeed. Sounds like like someone has picked up the "I want the existing DC movies/characters to crumble" baton once gripped by another member...
Indeed. Sounds like like someone has picked up the "I want the existing DC movies/characters to crumble" baton once gripped by another member...
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I just read the article, and I agree that there is nothing there. Other than Gal Gadot's post, nothing seems to indicate that WW3 is not still a possibility. Really, its the biggest hit DC movies have had despite the mixed reaction to 1984.
EDIT: Okay, Gadot's tweet came out before the announcement the script was not accepted. I was incorrect in my interpretation.
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In theory, there's no reason they couldn't keep Gadot as Wonder Woman and/or Cavill as Superman even if they rebooted the continuity. How many contradictory Terminator sequels and prequels have Schwarzenegger and/or Hamilton appeared in? How many different Halloween continuities has Jamie Lee Curtis done? And then there's that little surprise we got last season about Superman & Lois not being set on Earth-Prime despite starring Hoechlin & Tulloch. See also J.K. Simmons reprising Jameson in the MCU and Judi Dench reprising M in the rebooted Bond films.
I think people are just keen on getting an answer. Even before Gunn/Saran and Zaslav the direction of DC has never been totally clear so it’s ripe for armchair analysis and prediction.
As much as I didn’t like that movie, between the pandemic and it’s day-1 release on HBOMAX it’s hard to judge that one fairly in terms of box office.
Yep I'd say no Chinese release hurt the worldwide box office in a major way. That's where a lot of his films have made their money.
Certain "media" sources (some of questionable reputation) are desperate to pull the trigger on DC movie "news"--especially if its perceived as a negative. There comes a point when screaming that the sky is falling (no matter the subject) no longer works on anyone, because they've heard the same cries of doom a thousand times over.
I believe the pandemic had little to do with the piss-poor screenplay and many other bad choices which found their way into WW84, or its reception. The first film set expectations so high that it made no sense to jump into the WTF? or uninspiring plots of WW84. Only Gadot maintained the strength of her interpretation of the title character (outside of that bizarre romance).
Just read about this and if Warner truly has a vision and long term aspirations then this might be the only way to do it.
Complete hard reset and start over following Gunn's lead and plan. If that proceeds and gets done i will be very curious if Gunn can become DC's Kevin Feige, if he can really map out a cohesive and interesting overarching storyline across multiple movies that will resonate with the audience.
This doesn't necessitate completely ditching all established actors, especially if they really made an impact like Cavill, Gadot and Momoa but it could also confuse viewers by starting over their stories. One rumor i saw was that Momoa seemed to express interest in playing Lobo to which i say Hell Yeah! He would fit the visual and character to a T, would just need 5 minutes in the makeup chair and he's done as he's basically a human version of Lobo already
Seems like the decision will be made soon as Gunn is about to present his plan to Warner CEO and then wait for the decision, i doub't it'll happen before Christmas. 2023 will see the movies released that are already done or close to and then at least 1-2 years silence as everything gets retooled and filmed new.
Complete hard reset and start over following Gunn's lead and plan. If that proceeds and gets done i will be very curious if Gunn can become DC's Kevin Feige, if he can really map out a cohesive and interesting overarching storyline across multiple movies that will resonate with the audience.
This doesn't necessitate completely ditching all established actors, especially if they really made an impact like Cavill, Gadot and Momoa but it could also confuse viewers by starting over their stories. One rumor i saw was that Momoa seemed to express interest in playing Lobo to which i say Hell Yeah! He would fit the visual and character to a T, would just need 5 minutes in the makeup chair and he's done as he's basically a human version of Lobo already
Seems like the decision will be made soon as Gunn is about to present his plan to Warner CEO and then wait for the decision, i doub't it'll happen before Christmas. 2023 will see the movies released that are already done or close to and then at least 1-2 years silence as everything gets retooled and filmed new.
The Flash movie (regardless of its ultimate success or quality) will provide cover for any path chosen going forward. The explicit presentation of a multiverse allows for keeping actors, or not, and doing a reset, hard reboot, go forward and ignore previous stories entirely, parallels, tangential intersections, or any combination thereof. As always, and I know it’s a radical idea, I’ll await the actual finished productions before commencing any handwringing and/or gnashing of teeth. 