Same here.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Same here.
I don't dislike all the simple holodeck episodes, but I agree Dixon Hill is not a real gem at all. It only looks good because of how bad the rest of season 1 is, but it's ultimately very mediocre.
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I don't necessarily oppose the general idea of holodeck episodes, but I don't like how the majority of them turned out boring as hell. I did like the Moriarty one, not least because it actually raised interesting questions.
The Bond one gets a pass too, just having Garak is already a win.
The Bond one gets a pass too, just having Garak is already a win.
Dixon Hill feels like a an in joke that I'm supposed to get but I don't. So, it's hard to really enjoy it.
It was an early, unsuccessful attempt at experimenting with different genres.
I used to think the Hill arc was wasted until 1st Contact made great use of the foundation it had laid down.
And Kicky the Nose.
And Kicky the Nose.
Masks was so fucking stupid! 
I do applaud Stewart and Spiner for their great acting jobs. The fact that they got through those ridiculous lines without laughing their asses off, very professional.
I’m sure there are episodes I like that others think are terrible, so it all evens out.
I do applaud Stewart and Spiner for their great acting jobs. The fact that they got through those ridiculous lines without laughing their asses off, very professional.
I’m sure there are episodes I like that others think are terrible, so it all evens out.
Like Janeway's weird Victorian novel ghost story program with the creepy kids that also got dropped early on.
Okay, experiment with genres. But do it in the fictional universe of the show, don't just shove the characters into a different one. If you insist on a Noir episode, then do one like Stardust City Rag.
Yeah see, I deny that The Big Goobye (Dixon Hill's debut episde) has any merit at all. It's better than Manhunt, where all the Dixon Hill stuff is just the men smirking at each other while hiding from Lwaxana in a seedy bar. But really almost everything is better than Manhunt.
But to each their own. My dislike of the Big Goodbye is purely a personal opinion, like my general dislike of PIC.
Granted, Picard's love for trashy detective fiction is an endearing trait. But that could have been established through single scenes and conversations, we didn't need a whole episode.
In my opinion perhaps the only good "holodeck episode" in TNG is Hollow Pursuits.
I’m in the camp that finds season one of TNG infinitely more rewatchable than the latter seasons (particularly season seven). It doesn’t really have any absolute classics, and it has a number of failings and misfires, but it nevertheless has a sense of energy, possibility and unpredictability that sets it apart. The show really got too safe in latter years, and too soapy. By the final season I just about wanted to scream when almost every other episode seemed to be about a long, lost family member with a dark secret or some utterly pedestrian twist. S1 is a mess but it’s a gloriously entertaining mess with deliciously loud, vivacious scoring.
Masks was so fucking stupid!
I do applaud Stewart and Spiner for their great acting jobs. The fact that they got through those ridiculous lines without laughing their asses off, very professional.
I’m sure there are episodes I like that others think are terrible, so it all evens out.
Okay... you asked for it. I am defending "Masks" again.
This is a legitimately good episode for multiple reasons. (I think it's a great one, but I will go with a more realistic achievement of changing people's minds to this being a good one.)
1. As mentioned before by 1001001, the acting of Stewart and Spiner is superb. You never lose when an episode focuses on either actor... here, we get both.
2. The uneasiness and creepy factor in how the ship was filmed was fantastic. It gave a sense of otherwordliness to the ship that was rare, which makes sense, given the ship itself was being transformed into another place. Robert Wiemer did a great job in creating the mood throughout the episode. (Wiemer has done this before with episodes like "Violations" and "Schisms". Definitely lucky that he was on the rotation for directing here.)
3. Speaking of the ship being transformed, it's a great concept. You have an ancient, advanced culture that's literally coming to life all around you. You're exploring a new world just by walking to the next room.
4. It's a rare occasion when we not only have a spotlight on Picard's archaeology hobby and knowledge, but it becomes invaluable and is a big part of the solution of the day. A rare treat when Picard gets to show this side of his personality.
5. I like watching our Starfleet heroes use their wits and detective skills with minimal use of technology. Everyone is trying to solve what's going on, particularly Picard, by just piecing together the clues around them, like the scene in Masaka's temple with Picard, Troi, and Worf.
6. We get to see Data work on another aspect of his exploration of humanity... using his imagination while sculpting. We also see him do something virtually never seen before... create a memento of the experience. (The only other overt example that we see is his hologram of Tasha.) As Data is my favorite character, I am always going to be partial to his episodes.
7. I will admit to this being more a personal preference, but I love mythology. "Masks" is completely about mythology and piecing together the mythology of another world. This episode is always a joy to watch and never bores me.
In fact, I rewatched "Masks" a week or so ago, and it is still a pleasure and joy to watch the events unfold. Never boring, and always fun to watch.
Do I need to defend this episode again?
No, no you do not.
Was the presence of technobabble similarly minimal?
Now I do like TMP more than any other Trek film but yeah, those other opinions are definitely controversial. Now we're back to cooking. 
Whoa... talk about controversial opinion.
I disagree, but I am curious as to why you think that about each movie.
I never understood the appeal of TVH
It's just some people in funny clothes running around 1980s San Francisco getting into tiresome shenanigans and has a ridiculous excuse plot.
It's just some people in funny clothes running around 1980s San Francisco getting into tiresome shenanigans and has a ridiculous excuse plot.
Somebody sounds like they need to wear more ballhugger grey jumpsuits with disco belt buckles.
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