Which 23rd Century is canon?

Disagree. DISCO Klingons are just TMP+ Klingons turned up to 11.

 

As I said it's for drama. If it happened in the past I'm just fine by it.

Mileage will vary.

One would think.

 

except that there was no need here: they could have obtained the same results without messing up what they themselves had established.
They decided that the 32nd century transporters were decentralised early in season 3 and totally forgot about it some ten episodes later.

 

So Star Trek? Cause that reminds me of DS9 forgetting how a transporter works.

 

Plot is king.

 

What do you mean DS9 forgot how transporters work?

 

Other than speaking the same language, having some bumps on their foreheads, and having some bladed weapons, they’re pretty damn different from the TMP+ Klingons.

 

I'm sure L'Rell will appear again at some point too, and I happen to be a fan of the character, but I think they'll keep toning down the makeup. Just like S2 of DSC toned down the Klingon makeup from S1.

If I turn out to be wrong, I'll turn out to be wrong, but I'll tell you why I think this.

I don't know how much of the DSC Forum you've read, but at some point I speculated that I didn't think we'd see Klingons in DSC again until Worf made an appearance in PIC (I never doubted we'd have seen all of the TNG characters by the time PIC would end) and other Klingon designs had been re-introduced in live-action Trek. Which will have happened as of a few months from now.

What I think they'll do in DSC is have TNG Klingons mixed with DSC Klingons, but gradually phase out DSC Klingons in favor of the TNG Klingons. I'm basing this off the idea that DSC was a visual reboot and they've been slowly toning it down to some type of happy medium ever since DSC Season 2.

PIC, visually, looks like a balance between DSC and the TNG Movies. SNW, visually, looks like what happens when you mix DSC with TOS. With the exception of the Ferengi, all the races reintroduced in DSC from the third season on look more-or-less like they did during Berman Trek. And the ship designs and set designs we see now in DSC are specific to the 32nd Century, which makes DSC less of a visual reboot than it was before. In terms of revising the visuals: If TNG, DS9, and VOY are at a 0, and DSC Season 1 is at a 100, then current DSC, PIC, and SNW are more like they're at a 50. If that makes sense. That's the way I see it.

 

You're seeing the same world through different eyes.

That's great if you like stories and television. It's awful if you like technical schematics of starships and feel the need to index the ethnicities of Klingons.

 

Personally I find them horrible. I prefer the Klingons from TNG, DS9 and VOY (if we coun't B'Elanna).

Well, if they simply label DSC events as "The DSC timeline", go back to the drawing table and restore Romulus in some future series. Otherwise we are stuck with the Romulcans.

It's still a bit silly.

Everyone has a different opinion of everything, depending on where they were at that time. If I had lived in China or North Korea, I dont think that I would have found any decade from then up to now particularily funny. Compared to that, even the worst possible life in the US or some other Western country could be at least acceptable. However, I do get the imppression that the 60's was a much more fun time to live in for many people then the current dystopian 2020's with its constant doomsday predictions, lousy music and doom-and-gloom movies and TV-series.

Oh, someone has run out of arguments and starts coming up with personal attacks!

It's not about the make-up department. It's about the producers who came up with the "Turtles".

But will probably happen considering how books and future series mostly adapts to changes, good or bad.

Honestly, I would probably deserve that more than some poster who can't manage to have a cordial, sincere debate without having to come up with personal attacks. This whole thread is filled stupid comments from you.

Well, you do take all the chances to twist everything around, don't you?
I thought you should understand that what I mention was just one example of bad mergers, I could have mentioned some companies, firms or other groups of interest as well, even societies. Just look what become of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. It didn't work!

 

We'll see.

I stand corrected, it was in PIC. But still a very stupid idea which might ruin one of Star Treks most interesting species.

We'll see. I'll keep an eye on this. If I'm wrong, I will apologize and admit my mistake.

Perhaps scientifically but not when it comes to companies, sports teams, groups created for certain interests or countries.

But it's just that I find so fascinating, the creeping feeling that something might be out there.....

 

And when that would be?

again, plot has nothing to do with this. Just say that the radiation from the station prevents transport and you don’t need to contradict what you yourself established a few episodes ago, for example.

Unlikely. But so far it’s all in your head.

Nope. It was in Star Trek 2009, as multiple posters already wrote you. Not big on reading?

nope. It just moved them to a new phase, just like making the Klingons allied with the federation and THEN having them as enemies again for a while brought up interesting storylines.

So you won’t admit your mistake until something that hasn’t happened yet keeps not happening?

 

So you won’t admit your mistake until something that hasn’t happened yet keeps not happening?[/QUOTE] In this case, I might have to do so.
It's like living near a big dam when I see cracks in the dam and polit it out to the authorities who constantly states that there is no danger.
IF the dam holds, then I might apologize to them for being wrong but if the dam breaks, then I must accuse them for being ignorant and don't listen to the warning.

OH dear, the Turtles were invented already back then.

If the Klingons had showed up this way back in 1980, then it would have been a different thing. Anyway, I'm happy that we didn't have to see those "Klingons" in the TOS movies, TNG or DS9.

You do have a point here, But if certain posters come up with personal attacks on me instead of debating the actual topic, then I might find that "stupid".
Anyway, I'd already made the decision not to continue the debate with that person. Even when it comes to things where we actually have a somewhat cordial debate, we are still far from any agreement.