Which 23rd Century is canon?

[Nerys Myk]

Burn the heretic!

In woodfired pizza oven.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Next time you watch "The Counter-Clock Incident," just mentally replace the model they use for April with this guy instead:

I love the irony that Nichelle Nichols voiced the white Dr Sarah April in TAS.

I mean, for many years Paramount did not consider TAS to be canon.

Not quite. It was a decree from the Star Trek Office (of Gene Roddenberry), not Paramount itself. And it was in response to Filmation getting divided up and sold off - all Filmation assets were in a state of flux re ownership - and also DC Fontana and David Gerrold suing Roddenberry for co-creatorship on TNG, so it made sense (to some) to deemphasize their contributions at the time of the lawsuit.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Fruit on a pizza? That's just... wrong.

One word: Tomato.

 

[Lynx]

Yup, and fans are welcome to do so. Again, it's a matter of what does canon actually mean. It means the collected works by the author, or owner, in this case CBS. We can ignore all we want (I do) but that doesn't change how others will engage with the material, nor does it obligate anyone else to view it my way.

Fan fiction is quite fun, and offers a lot of variety out there. But, it's not canon, which is what this thread is about. Not personal preference, likes, dislikes, or whatnot. That's like asking what type of pizza is the only canonical pizza?

Actually, I prefer fan fiction to the messed up circus that official "Star Trek" has become.
In fact, I rather watch TNG, TOS, DS9 and the first three seasons of Voyager than wasting my time on NuTrek and Discovery.
However, I do like Una McCormacks books about Cardassia, especially those where Garak is involved.

 

[Orphalesion]

Agreed. Fruit on a pizza? That's just... wrong.

Now, bacon... THAT is a topping. (Of course pepperoni goes it, but you can never have too much bacon in your life.)

Na, you're wrong too. The only real pizza is tomato, cheese, capers, olives and anchovies!

 

[fireproof78]

Actually, I prefer fan fiction to the messed up circus that official "Star Trek" has become.
In fact, I rather watch TNG, TOS, DS9 and the first three seasons of Voyager than wasting my time on NuTrek and Discovery.
However, I do like Una McCormacks books about Cardassia, especially those where Garak is involved.

Cool. You are, as all of us are, welcome to your preference. Preference =/= canon.

I prefer TOS over all other Trek, and would get rid of TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the TOS films if given the chance. Now, please tell me, is my preference canonical?

 

[Lynx]

You are the one who keeps calling all of NuTrek "crap"

That's my honest opinion, my friend.
But note that I don't aim my vitriolic comments on posters nowadays, only on certain Star Trek subjects.
I've learned my lessons.
There's the difference!

 

[Nerys Myk]

In fact, I rather watch TNG, TOS, DS9 and the first three seasons of Voyager than wasting my time on NuTrek and Discovery.

Then do that. I'm not gonna ever watch VOY again myself. Big chunks of TNG, too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's my honest opinion, my friend.
But note that I don't aim my vitriolic comments on posters nowadays, only on certain Star Trek subjects.
I've learned my lessons.
There's the difference!

"vitriolic" ???

 

[Farscape One]

One word: Tomato.

Are you Eddington? lol

Joking aside, tomatoes are used for the sauce. Pizza without a sauce (tomato based, alfredo, bbq, etc) is just NOT a pizza. Fruit as a topping... that is just wrong.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Are you Eddington? lol

Joking aside, tomatoes are used for the sauce. Pizza without a sauce (tomato based, alfredo, bbq, etc) is just NOT a pizza. Fruit as a topping... that is just wrong.

 

[Orphalesion]

That's my honest opinion, my friend.

Just saying it doesn't open up much of discussion if you dismiss all of it from the get go with no other argument than saying "it's crap" or "it isn't exactly like TOS/90s Trek" And you kept brining it up as a reason why it isn't canon" which...no...nooo.
And I must have missed the part where Nerys hauled "vitriolic comments" at you (most likely because it didn't happen)

Then do that. I'm not gonna ever watch VOY again myself. Big chunks of TNG, too.

I'm never going to watch the parts of ENT I haven't seen, I don't like the characters. And I'm never going to watch the rest of PIC for...well I don't want to get into that whole thing again.
But I can still tell that PIC had quite a bit of good storytelling, it just wasn't for me.

 

[fireproof78]

That's my honest opinion, my friend.
But note that I don't aim my vitriolic comments on posters nowadays, only on certain Star Trek subjects.
I've learned my lessons.
There's the difference!

Which is fine. Just doesn't make one or the other canon

Are you Eddington? lol

Joking aside, tomatoes are used for the sauce. Pizza without a sauce (tomato based, alfredo, bbq, etc) is just NOT a pizza. Fruit as a topping... that is just wrong.

BBQ Chicken pizza with pineapple is amazing. If that's wrong then I will not be right...on pizza.

But I can still tell that PIC had quite a bit of good storytelling, it just wasn't for me.

Which is the whole of Trek. Variety storytelling that might not be for me, but could be for you. It's not one size fits all and shouldn't be. For a franchise that celebrates diversity we sure try to flatten that curve on out so there is no diversity!

 

[Farscape One]

Na, you're wrong too. The only real pizza is tomato, cheese, capers, olives and anchovies!

Well, I think we can all agree that pizza is probably the most malleable food on the planet in terms of altering for preferences and taste.

 

[The Wormhole]

With all this talk about April I'm really stoked for a flashback appearance of him commanding the Enterprise in the early days!

Unfortunately it'd mean they'd have to bring back the blue uniforms...

Not necessarily, Pike does have a picture in his quarters showing him and April wearing The Cage/WNMHGB style uniforms.

 

[fireproof78]

Not necessarily, Pike does have a picture in his quarters showing him and April wearing The Cage/WNMHGB style uniforms.

Constiution classes are special.

 

[Lynx]

Cool. You are, as all of us are, welcome to your preference. Preference =/= canon.

I prefer TOS over all other Trek, and would get rid of TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the TOS films if given the chance. Now, please tell me, is my preference canonical?

It looks like everything is canonical nowadays.
Does Romulus and Vulcan exist and in which timeline? Well, according to "canon" they both exist and don't exist so acirding to that "logic" your preference is obviously "canonical" too.
As my is!

 

[Farscape One]

That looks... so sad.

I would put up a picture of a pizza with pepperoni, bacon, and salami if I could. That is a pizza that is alive.

 

[Therin of Andor]

It looks like everything is canonical nowadays.
Does Romulus and Vulcan exist and in which timeline? Well, according to "canon" they both exist...

Easy. There are at least two canonical timelines. One in which Romulus was destroyed in the 24th century and one in which Vulcan was destroyed in the 23rd century.

 

[Lynx]

Just saying it doesn't open up much of discussion if you dismiss all of it from the get go with no other argument than saying "it's crap" or "it isn't exactly like TOS/90s Trek" And you kept brining it up as a reason why it isn't canon" which...no...nooo.
And I must have missed the part where Nerys hauled "vitriolic comments" at you (most likely because it didn't happen)


I'm never going to watch the parts of ENT I haven't seen, I don't like the characters. And I'm never going to watch the rest of PIC for...well I don't want to get into that whole thing again.
But I can still tell that PIC had quite a bit of good storytelling, it just wasn't for me.

Hmm, I never wrote that Nerys hauled "vitriolic comments" at me, I was only referring to my own commets, the comments which you disliked.

Howvere I do agree with you about Enterprise. I didn't like the characters either. And not the storytelling. The same for Discovery.