General Trek Questions and Observations

[Oddish]

She's probably got it in a nice display box in her ready room or quarters just slightly off-camera.

My point. When Sisko made a clock in an essentially mediocre DS9 episode, the clock was on his desk afterward. When Kathryn received a watch in the best VOY episode ever, it's never referenced again. Even though it should have been, for aforementioned reasons.

Alternatively, Chakotay might have felt brave enough to give her an elaborate gift that showed how much he cared for Katheryn in the "we're all gonna die" timeline, but maybe in the reset timeline without those events happening he chickened out on giving her something so special.

Very possible.

 

[gweeps]

DS9 had more conscientious writers.

 

[matthunter]

More likely, having spent a lot of cash on an alien clock prop, they felt the need to show it off in later eps, whereas a watch that looks like an actual 20th Century watch (because it was) could quite easily go back to the pawn shop or the store they took it out as a loaner from.

 

[Greg Cox]

More likely, having spent a lot of cash on an alien clock prop, they felt the need to show it off in later eps, whereas a watch that looks like an actual 20th Century watch (because it was) could quite easily go back to the pawn shop or the store they took it out as a loaner from.

Exactly. Which ep was better than the other isn't the point. It's what adds visual interest to the set. And, yes, looks cooler and more futuristic.

(See the Salt Vampire costume reappearing in Trelane's palace back on TOS. It looked cool, they paid good money for it, so they reused when they could.)

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I get that but there is also some value in considering things narratively rather visually. I wouldn't say Sisko's baseball was an extraordinarily strong addition to the set visually and it certainly couldn't have cost them much but keeping it around for years allowed for a bunch of fantastic moments of characterization, character interaction and symbolism.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Yeah, but he can play with the baseball more. If Janeway tossed the watch up in the air, eventually, she might get distracted and break it by accident, say, if the ship lurched while she was doing so.

Fiddling with it on her wrist would make her look more nervous than anything.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Playing with it isn't the only way to draw attention to it. And it could still have added narrative value even if it were treated much more low-key than the baseball (as was the case with Picard's flute).

 

[Oddish]

Having it in a visible display case, or even propped up on her desk, would be fine.

I think that DS9 must be about 400 light years from Earth. Because they probably picked up a transmission from Earth that was an old "Spenser For Hire" episode, traveling away from the planet at light speed. Commander Sisko saw Hawk, and thought "you know, that might be a good look for me!"

 

[MAGolding]

Having it in a visible display case, or even propped up on her desk, would be fine.

I think that DS9 must be about 400 light years from Earth. Because they probably picked up a transmission from Earth that was an old "Spenser For Hire" episode, traveling away from the planet at light speed. Commander Sisko saw Hawk, and thought "you know, that might be a good look for me!"

DS9 "Fascination".

JAKE: Mardah's gone, Dad. She got accepted to the Science Academy on Regulus Three.
SISKO: That's a good school.
JAKE: It's three hundred light years away.

http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/456.htm

 

[at Quark's]

Just watching (with half an eye) In a Mirror, Darkly. In it, t'Pol appears quite passionate in some scenes (and yes, cool in others).

So now I wonder, in the mirror universe, did Vulcans ever achieve the same degree of mental discipline they achieved in 'our' universe?

 

[MAGolding]

Just watching (with half an eye) In a Mirror, Darkly. In it, t'Pol appears quite passionate in some scenes (and yes, cool in others).

So now I wonder, in the mirror universe, did Vulcans ever achieve the same degree of mental discipline they achieved in 'our' universe?

Supposedly the way of Surak become common on Vulcan about b,000 years fefore TNG. The era of Surak should be roughtly about 1,800 years before ENT which was about 200 years before TNG. In the "Prime Universe" version of ENT the Vulcan command had been corrupting Vulcan society for an unknown number of decades or centuries. At the same time in the MU version of history, Vulcan was ruled by the Terrran Empire. And as far as I know there is no statement whether the teachings of Surak were being corrupted in that version of history but were still (reasonably) pure.

The opening scene of "In a Mirror Darkly", happening in the MU, show events about 90 years before ENT, when Zefraim Cochrane and his group sieze a Vulcan ship, apparently leading to the founding of the Terran Empire - possibly one of the writers once read Poul Anderson's The HIgh Crusade (1960).

And again there is no direct statement indicating how well Vulcans followed the teachings of Surak before the Vulcan ship landed on Earth.

I remember one scene in particular in "In a Mirror Darkly" where T'Pol seems to be rather emotional, when she was trying to recruit a mutiny and told crewpersons that their leaders are plolting to take over Eart hand kill the emperor. MU T'Pol seemed to care more about the current Terran emperor than would be expected

Was MU T'Pol more emotional than PU T'Pol.? Was the emotion in her voice rhetorical, appealing to the humans' persumed loyalty? Was this particular Terran Emperor much better and more deserving of loyalty than would be expected?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

In Statistical Probabilities, Bashir says that if they surrender to the Dominion in six generations, a rebellion will start on Earth that will free the Federation.

But in Sacrifice of Angels Weyoun says that once they conquer the Federation, the first step will be eradicating the population of Earth, for that very reason.

So even at that point, the Jack Pack's magic fortune telling power is demonstrated to the audience to be overrated. And just by failing to assume the enemy could do predictive analytics too.

 

[Bynar0110]

Would it make sense for a Starfleet officer, not associated with the Engineering Dept. to have the basic knowledge and skills to preform ship maintenance and make simple repairs?

 

[tesral]

Would it make sense for a Starfleet officer, not associated with the Engineering Dept. to have the basic knowledge and skills to preform ship maintenance and make simple repairs?

It would make perfect sense.

 

[matthunter]

At the very least, they should have the skills to maintain equipment related to their duties. This can be seen in Best of Both Worlds where Geordi is having issues getting the shield generators back up and asks Worf (a Tactical officer) for assistance.

 

[Oddish]

Would it make sense for a Starfleet officer, not associated with the Engineering Dept. to have the basic knowledge and skills to preform ship maintenance and

I would think it would be required. They might not have the specialist knowledge that engineers have, but they should at least know the basics.

 

[fireproof78]

Would it make sense for a Starfleet officer, not associated with the Engineering Dept. to have the basic knowledge and skills to preform ship maintenance and make simple repairs?

Absolutely.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Naomi Wildman wears an obviously fake beard the day Scarlett Pomers begins playing the role.

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[JesterFace]

This can be seen in Best of Both Worlds where Geordi is having issues getting the shield generators back up and asks Worf (a Tactical officer) for assistance.

Perhaps Geordi knew how to do things that were necessary but he also needed help from someone qualified with the systems, in this case Worf.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Well, raising shields would fall under the purview of tactics - it's something you'd have to do quickly in a battle scenario.