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Why Is "Into Darkness" So [imagine a different, more accurate past participle here]?

I guess I am a continuity nutter that I want things in a visual medium, a franchise that attempts to maintain a narrative continuity albeit imperfectly, to also look about the same from iteration to iteration.

Call me nutters, but Star Wars has managed it nicely.
 
plynch said:
I guess I am a continuity nutter that I want things in a visual medium, a franchise that attempts to maintain a narrative continuity albeit imperfectly, to also look about the same from iteration to iteration.

Call me nutters, but Star Wars has managed it nicely.
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Star Wars is not a gold standard for me. Trek has always updated with the times because it's about our humanity.

And, even so, cosmetic surgery should be small potatoes with a society that has warp drive. Call me crazy.
 
My guess would be Butternut Cucumberpatch as Khan.

My Dad--a veteran-Trekkie and diehard TOS fan--couldn't let that go for quite a while. Any time either Khan or Cumberbatch came up, Dad had to remark how they look exactly alike, and Bennedict Cumberbatch was obviously Indian.
 
While it was better than 2009 (which imo was a massive, incoherent, exploitative trainwreck and the worst of all the Trek films), Into Darkness still wasn't great.

It's only a remake of TWOK in the last half hour and at least it has a fairly coherent story and some ok character development.

But it still has that terrible stupid bit with Starfleet wanting to demote Kirk to a cadet. Like what? Commander or lieutenant maybe, but cadet? Completely unrealistic. They'd have court marshalled him before doing that in real life.

Also, Spock's reaction to Kirk's death was unconvincing, as they seem to have known each other about six months by that point. More lazy Abrams storytelling trading off TWOK without understanding the context of the originals' long friendship by that film, which did not exist in Into Darkness.

So it's better than 2009 and probably Insurrection, but every other Trek movie is much better.

Benedict Cumberpatch was good playing a Hannibal Lecter version of Khan though. And Peter Weller was good as the latest Badmiral, I guess a descendent of his character in Enterprise: Terra Prime .
 
Weyoun23 said:
But it still has that terrible stupid bit with Starfleet wanting to demote Kirk to a cadet. Like what? Commander or lieutenant maybe, but cadet? Completely unrealistic. They'd have court marshalled him before doing that in real life.
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One, they could have sent him back as a demoted officer, i.e. a commander or lieutenant commander for more advanced schooling. Second, it was Pike driving home that Kirk had massively screwed up and wasn't the hot dog maverick he thought he was.

And finally, it's court-marital, as in a military/martial court.

Weyoun23 said:
More lazy Abrams storytelling trading off TWOK without understanding the context of the originals' long friendship by that film, which did not exist in Into Darkness.
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I think he understood it fine. It's just a reverse as Spock realizes what potential was lost in that moment on top of losing his planet, his mother, his commanding officer/mentor, and now Kirk.
 
Vincent van Ghoul said:
I think he understood it fine. It's just a reverse as Spock realizes what potential was lost in that moment on top of losing his planet, his mother, his commanding officer/mentor, and now Kirk.
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Indeed. The degree of intense emotional trauma experienced by Quinto/Spock vs Nimoy/Spock at a young age and during a short span of time seems curiously overlooked when assessing this scene (and many others, to be fair). Understandable, I suppose, given the half-century of exposure to one version of Spock vs a then two film exposure.
 
Weyoun23 said:
But it still has that terrible stupid bit with Starfleet wanting to demote Kirk to a cadet. Like what? Commander or lieutenant maybe, but cadet? Completely unrealistic. They'd have court marshalled him before doing that in real life.
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Cadet is not a rank, it's a position. Pike sent him back for retraining with the rank of Commander.
Also, Spock's reaction to Kirk's death was unconvincing, as they seem to have known each other about six months by that point. More lazy Abrams storytelling trading off TWOK without understanding the context of the originals' long friendship by that film, which did not exist in Into Darkness.
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So how long do you need to know someone to be affected by their death? I've known people for months, clicked with them and would be devastated by their passing.
 
The most ironic thing about Into Darkness was how much Peter Wellar looks like Kurtwood Smith, his antagonist as Robocop all those years ago.
 
What ruined Into Darkness for me was that so much of it was so familiar... like they took a bunch of the major moments from the previous film, mixed them around a bit and re-used them. The first time I saw it in the theatre, I could not get past the feeling like I had seen half of the movie before:

Both films had:
- Bad guy with a huge ship
- Kirk goes off a cliff
- Kirk chased by a monster / local population
- Main characters go to a club to hang out
- unnecessary underwear scene
- characters have to quickly get from point A to point B and transporters can't be used
- Enterprise emerges from hiding (Titan / underwater)
- attack/crash in San Francisco
- character close to Kirk dies to push his story forward
- Old Spock shows up
 
jbohn said:
What ruined Into Darkness for me was that so much of it was so familiar... like they took a bunch of the major moments from the previous film, mixed them around a bit and re-used them. The first time I saw it in the theatre, I could not get past the feeling like I had seen half of the movie before:

Both films had:
- Bad guy with a huge ship
- Kirk goes off a cliff
- Kirk chased by a monster / local population
- Main characters go to a club to hang out
- unnecessary underwear scene
- characters have to quickly get from point A to point B and transporters can't be used
- Enterprise emerges from hiding (Titan / underwater)
- attack/crash in San Francisco
- character close to Kirk dies to push his story forward
- Old Spock shows up
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I'd add the space jump to that list . Even though it was a good sequence it was a bit lazy having done something very similar in the previous film.

I would also say the Enterprise rising above the clouds after nearly crashing near the end of the film was the bit lifted from 09, not the underwater scene.
 
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