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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

I like Guy Gardner a lot, but John Stewart makes way more sense as a lead. Honestly, if Geoff Johns wasn't around with his Hal Jordan obsession I think John would have became THE Green Lantern in the comics, especially post JL/JLU Cartoon that really brought him to prominence. He was even supposed to be the GL in that George Miller Justice League movie from what I remember.
 
Of course it used the characters and relationships from the source material, but the point was that it reinterpreted them in a radically different style and tone. The show was designed to minimize the comic-book elements and make the concept appealing to audiences who wouldn't touch a comic book with a ten-foot pole. There were fans of Smallville who literally did not know it had any connection to Superman, because Superman was not a character they had any interest in and thus they didn't know that the names Clark Kent and Lex Luthor were connected to him.
I wouldn't think any interest in Superman would be required to know who Clark Kent is, just exposure to free-floating pop cultural icons.
 
I wouldn't think any interest in Superman would be required to know who Clark Kent is, just exposure to free-floating pop cultural icons.

You'd be surprised what people are unaware of when they're not in the same cultural bubble as you. When I flew out to Hollywood in the '90s to pitch to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, I stayed with a cousin who worked in the film industry, running the company that provided bicycle, skate, and skateboard stunt riders and gear for most film and TV productions that needed them. At one point, I mentioned to him that I hoped my DS9 pitch would give me a chance to pitch to Voyager, and I also mentioned having written a spec script for TNG... and I gradually realized that he had no idea I was talking about series that were all part of the Star Trek franchise. He'd never heard of them, even though they were "free-floating pop cultural icons," and even though he worked in the industry himself.
 
Well, it's all a matter of degree. Superman himself, and/or the "S" shield, are famously recognizable across the globe. I would think, for an American audience at least, the name "Clark Kent" would be almost as well-known, even among people who aren't fans, have never read the comics, etc.

Still, there are certainly limits to such common knowledge. My wife, for example, didn't know Supergirl existed as a character before the TV series was announced. Mind you, this was before my own dedicated "Super" fandom, or she would have already known more about Supergirl than any sane person ever wanted to. :lol:
 
This is encouraging, as I like every single Green Lantern more than Guy Gardner and even Alan Scott would be sullied by his inclusion. Yay for John Stewart!


*The studio meeting with Berlanti*


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It is kind of funny how there are certain things that seem like common knowledge when you're in a particular group, and then suddenly realize that people outside of group have no idea what that is. I was absolutely shocked a few months ago that there were a lot of people out there who don't know what a fly mask is, I had just assumed that it was something everybody was aware of.
The name everybody ignores is Peter Safran. This man has not only been a frequent collaborator of Gunn's for decades, but he's also been a producer on the Aquaman and SHAZAM! movies, as well as The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker with Gunn. It wouldn't surprise me if Safran was the original contact person between WB/DC and Gunn.
I think that's probably because he is purely a business guy, and people tend to be more interested in the creative side.
Well, don't give him too much, Indiewire ran an article yesterday that they're going to vault $2 billion worth of more content to get more tax write offs, along with more massive layoffs. They'll be doing additional vaulting and cuts all the way to the end of 2024. Kinda wonder if the Gunn/Safron announcement was meant to bury that. If so, it seemed to have worked.

https://www.indiewire.com/2022/10/w...ent-write-off-batgirl-q3-earnings-1234775731/
Did Disney do all of this kind of stuff to Fox when they took over? I know they canceled a few projects in the early stages, and fired some people, but it didn't seem like they were doing that on the scale that Discovery is with WB.
 
It is kind of funny how there are certain things that seem like common knowledge when you're in a particular group, and then suddenly realize that people outside of group have no idea what that is. I was absolutely shocked a few months ago that there were a lot of people out there who don't know what a fly mask is, I had just assumed that it was something everybody was aware of.

I think that's probably because he is purely a business guy, and people tend to be more interested in the creative side.

Did Disney do all of this kind of stuff to Fox when they took over? I know they canceled a few projects in the early stages, and fired some people, but it didn't seem like they were doing that on the scale that Discovery is with WB.

No, there were a lot of office politics and sabotaging stuff, typical of a take over, but this is pretty unprecedented for film/TV. Other industries it's more common. It was talked a lot back when the Batgirl news broke.
 
I was absolutely shocked a few months ago that there were a lot of people out there who don't know what a fly mask is, I had just assumed that it was something everybody was aware of.

Would that be a mask that looks like a fly, or a mask worn by a fly?


I think that's probably because he is purely a business guy, and people tend to be more interested in the creative side.

Yeah. Like how we pay attention to Greg Berlanti more than Sarah Shechter, or to Alex Kurtzman more than Heather Kadin. Writer-producer/business-producer partnerships are fairly common, but it's usually the writers who get all the attention.


Did Disney do all of this kind of stuff to Fox when they took over? I know they canceled a few projects in the early stages, and fired some people, but it didn't seem like they were doing that on the scale that Discovery is with WB.

Not even close. What's happening with WB is not normal, and I think it's going to damage the studio severely for years to come.
 
No, there were a lot of office politics and sabotaging stuff, typical of a take over, but this is pretty unprecedented for film/TV. Other industries it's more common. It was talked a lot back when the Batgirl news broke.
I think it will damage WB in the long run and it will suffer for it.
 
Of course it used the characters and relationships from the source material, but the point was that it reinterpreted them in a radically different style and tone. The show was designed to minimize the comic-book elements and make the concept appealing to audiences who wouldn't touch a comic book with a ten-foot pole. There were fans of Smallville who literally did not know it had any connection to Superman, because Superman was not a character they had any interest in and thus they didn't know that the names Clark Kent and Lex Luthor were connected to him.

This is why it's so wrong to argue for imaginary dividing lines between "adapted" and "original" stories, and why it's superficial to define that solely in terms of whether it uses the same title and character names. You can take the elements of an existing story and transform them into something that's extremely different, yet at the same time embodies the same essence. Whether an audience member sees it as basically the same or completely different depends on what side of it they're looking at. You, YLu, can look at a reinvention like early Smallville and recognize it as fundamentally the same despite its transformation, but I know another online commenter who adamantly refuses to acknowledge that an adaptation like Sherlock or Elementary is the same character as Sherlock Holmes at all, because he can't look past the surface changes. It's a matter of subjective tolerance, not an objective truth of how stories "should" be told. Originality is not a yes/no question. Most creative works are derivative in some ways and original in others. It's a continuum, not a zero-sum choice.

Nobody said anything about “objective truth.” I’m just expressing my personal preference, based on my subjective tastes. I’m not sure what I said to give you the impression otherwise. That others might disagree about what counts as an adaptation in name only is absolutely true but doesn’t really change anything.
 
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I can hear it now, its as if hundreds of Snyderstans suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced :lol: How long until a bunch of them either turn on Cavill online, or start conspiracy theories involving him? I'm assuming it started within a minute of that quote getting published.
Same as any other fan who turns on an actor or director the moment they make a decision that a fan doesn't like.
 
How long until a bunch of them either turn on Cavill online [...]I'm assuming it started within a minute of that quote getting published.
It did. I saw him referred to as a traitor because he wore the blue suit in Black Adam instead of the black suit from ZSJL. :rolleyes:

I always suspected that Cavill wanted to play a more hopeful version of Superman than what he was being given. It's nice to hear that is the case. I think Cavill was actually closer to the Clark I want to see in the press tour for JL than he was in the film itself.
 
Imagine what would happen if a character just casually mentioned Steppenwolf's death.

Heh--specifically the fact he was decapitated. Certain people already in need of psychological counseling regarding entertainment(!) would continue to scream and rant at a man who has not committed a negative act against them (yet they routinely reach the height of hatred & irrationality by acting as if he ripped off their toys) and make Kleenex count the profits thanks to those certain people and their views about entertainment, which--in the grand scheme of life--is unimportant. Every bit of it.
 
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