Spoilers Andor season one

[Jayson1]

But the show is really not about dealing with the Fall of the Republic. Actually I think that would be a good idea for a show. It is IMO more about the fall of one man in Obi-Wan. That and the personal betrayed by Anakin. All while being tasked to look after this boy despite not mentally being in the right place to really do it.

I have a feeling this show was much better with those first scripts but then Kennedy threw them out to replace them with something more upbeat. Tossed in a spin-off character they would hope people would like in Reva. Toss in a cute kid to get some of those adorable feels people liked with Baby Yoda. When in reality the show should have looked like a Star Wars version of that movie Nomadland.

 

[fireproof78]

But the show is really not about dealing with the Fall of the Republic.

No, but it is about a man dealing with personal fallout, and how he could move on in his fight. As well finding how he could still be a Jedi.

 

[Crewman6]

Oh, so wrong.

Exactly. She was the deuteragonist of the series. Her presence was essential and, as someone without her end point already mapped out, she provided the only true element of uncertainty in the show.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Exactly. She was the deuteragonist of the series. Her presence was essential and, as someone without her end point already mapped out, she provided the only true element of uncertainty in the show.

Indeed. I really don't want to get into a deep off-topic conversation, but I will echo what @Vincent van Ghoul said.

Obi-Wan had been lying low to avoid the Inquisitors, all but severed himself from the Force to avoid detection. Reva was the one who forced Obi-Wan to come out of hiding, to risk exposure to the Imperial organization charged with hunting down the Jedi, to confront Vader, and ultimately to face her. Reva was an essential element of the inciting incident of the story, the climax of which was his discovering how he could take up the mantle of being a Jedi once again, despite the danger, indeed despite his own cause being lost.

No, but it is about a man dealing with personal fallout, and how he could move on in his fight. As well finding how he could still be a Jedi.

 

[Ithekro]

I wonder, is Representative Binks still in politics, or is he already an outcast in Theed? Did he go back to the queen that liked him, or did Palpatine end that species due to their Force nature?

Cause the Mon Mothma bits would be where we could find out.

 

[Jayson1]

Exactly. She was the deuteragonist of the series. Her presence was essential and, as someone without her end point already mapped out, she provided the only true element of uncertainty in the show.

I don't think the show really needed uncertainty. More about looking deeper into who Kenobi was as a person. I am also not sure it even needed to be a tv show. I feel like it should have been what it was all going to be long ago and that was a movie. I think you got maybe 2 hours worth of story out of the whole concept because some of the limits of being a prequel and knowing the future does come into play as you point out.

 

[Crewman6]

I don't think the show really needed uncertainty. More about looking deeper into who Kenobi was as a person. I am also not sure it even needed to be a tv show. I feel like it should have been what it was all going to be long ago and that was a movie. I think you got maybe 2 hours worth of story out of the whole concept because some of the limits of being a prequel and knowing the future does come into play as you point out.

But it was a TV show, though. And no TV show benefits from having only one character as its sole focus the entire time. Even "limited series." It's essential to fill out a show with other characters and stories. Reva was a great addition with her own independent story that fleshed out the series while also thematically underpinning what the whole show was about.

 

[fireproof78]

More about looking deeper into who Kenobi was as a person. I am

It did that quite well.

 

[Jayson1]

But it was a TV show, though. And no TV show benefits from having only one character as its sole focus the entire time. Even "limited series." It's essential to fill out a show with other characters and stories. Reva was a great addition with her own independent story that fleshed out the series while also thematically underpinning what the whole show was about.

The second though would be Anakin. The person who is cause of all his pain. Seems to me you break the show into 4 episodes a hour length.

1 Episode one he is kind of like we see him in the first episode. Lost and sad. Nobody to confide into. Deals with criminals for supplies for his hideout home. Attempts to train Luke keeps get rejected by Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru though I like idea is she is more understanding than Owen. Maybe he even comes close to killing himself and then he gets a ghost vision from Qui-Gon. Vadar is coming and he needs to train for a fight.

2 Kenobi trains. Looses his job even. Goes to town and ends up stopping some innocent person from being killed by one Jabba's goons. The first heroic thing he has done in along time. Finds out Vadar will be coming soon. One of the criminals he use to work with for his supplies told him because she is good with getting information. He is going to kill Owen and Beru and doesn't even know about Luke but would kill or corrupt him as well.

3 Episode 3 Is about Kenobi taking the Skywalker family for the only off world episode. This is to hide them from Vadar when he shows up. Maybe some action and adventure also happens. If you wanted Reva maybe she would be okay for this episode as the person he fights. In the end though he goes back to Tatooine and simply waits.

4 Season final. Vadar shows up. Takes over town with Stormtroopers. When he gets to the Skywalker farm, Kenobi is waiting for them. Lots of past drama gets talked about. Big fight. Kenobi is able to do something that has never been done and that is a Jedi mind trick on another Jedi and it works on Anakin because of pain and weakness that allowed him to be corrupted. He is tricked into thinking Owen and Beru are dead. Vadar leaves the planet. They come back. He is still not allowed to train Luke but he has faith again and hope and knows one day he will.

 

[Tuskin38]

it's just so completely disconnected from Star Wars in any meaningful way

What? it's completely connected to Star Wars.

IIRC Season 1 all takes place in 5BBY, it's Season 2 that will be covering all the years up to Rogue One

 

[fireproof78]

The second though would be Anakin. The person who is cause of all his pain. Seems to me you break the show into 4 episodes a hour length.

That's one way. That doesn't diminish what the series achieved especially with Reva.

 

[Imaus]

We saw her walk away. Her survival is established as well as Vel Sartha's. So, as of right now, it's three, which is more than 42%. That's close enough for me to agree with "about half" survived/died (and with a seven-member team, it doesn't get any closer to half than that, it's only a question of which side of the middle you're on).

You see her in the trailer, obsentially after the events of the heist - a SD will show up -, so she's up and made it out. I wonder if she, uh, 'did the deed'. My bet is she did.

I, for one, was surprised with this show. I gave episode 1 a lazy watch. As soon as Andor was accousted by those pricks and he kills one by accident and shoots the other after judging better for a pound than a penny, I was hooked. Then seeing that stuck up nerd Sybil get his world turned upside down was just, mwah.

This show is what I wanted from Star Wars and even Star Trek. Grounded, detached from most of the usual stuff, doesn't shove fanservice down your throat, it just exists in the setting and seamlessly.

The heist was great and went into all the drama that dropping a merc in on the last minute would do. The eye was beautiful, and how Andor handled the liar was - I gotta stop before I sound like a ST fanboy. But I'm deffed hooked. This was what I've been bemoaning for for years, and it's finally here.

There are some things I would had changed, for sure, but mostly just minor dialogue. Or as in the trailer, does a heist of 80 million credits really deserve a Star Destroyer...? Why not a Aquitens sort of 'Marine' cruiser transport, or a victory class, ya know? Rebels did that sort of right in that one episode with that other cell, Iron? Squadron? they think they're taking on Star Destroyers but it's just the bulk cruisers. But I've also long bemoaned that Star Destroyers never got their 'proper respect' and are just thrown around like police cutters.

 

[Jayson1]

That's one way. That doesn't diminish what the series achieved especially with Reva.

I disagree but that is okay. Nothing wrong with have difference of opinions.

 

[The Wormhole]

did Palpatine end that species due to their Force nature?

"End that species." You mean did Palpatine commit genocide against the Gungans? We know he didn't, we see several Gungans celebrating the Empire's defeat on Naboo in the DVD version of ROTJ, one of them even yells out "Weesa free!"

 

[Crewman6]

The second though would be Anakin. The person who is cause of all his pain. Seems to me you break the show into 4 episodes a hour length.

1 Episode one he is kind of like we see him in the first episode. Lost and sad. Nobody to confide into. Deals with criminals for supplies for his hideout home. Attempts to train Luke keeps get rejected by Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru though I like idea is she is more understanding than Owen. Maybe he even comes close to killing himself and then he gets a ghost vision from Qui-Gon. Vadar is coming and he needs to train for a fight.

2 Kenobi trains. Looses his job even. Goes to town and ends up stopping some innocent person from being killed by one Jabba's goons. The first heroic thing he has done in along time. Finds out Vadar will be coming soon. One of the criminals he use to work with for his supplies told him because she is good with getting information. He is going to kill Owen and Beru and doesn't even know about Luke but would kill or corrupt him as well.

3 Episode 3 Is about Kenobi taking the Skywalker family for the only off world episode. This is to hide them from Vadar when he shows up. Maybe some action and adventure also happens. If you wanted Reva maybe she would be okay for this episode as the person he fights. In the end though he goes back to Tatooine and simply waits.

4 Season final. Vadar shows up. Takes over town with Stormtroopers. When he gets to the Skywalker farm, Kenobi is waiting for them. Lots of past drama gets talked about. Big fight. Kenobi is able to do something that has never been done and that is a Jedi mind trick on another Jedi and it works on Anakin because of pain and weakness that allowed him to be corrupted. He is tricked into thinking Owen and Beru are dead. Vadar leaves the planet. They come back. He is still not allowed to train Luke but he
has faith again and hope and knows one day he will.

No.

 

[Tuskin38]

I have a feeling this show was much better with those first scripts but then Kennedy threw them out to replace them with something more upbeat.

I thought that was proven false.

or did Palpatine end that species due to their Force nature?

?? All species have force nature

 

[Jayson1]

How was it proven false?

 

[Tuskin38]

Someone from the writing staff said it wasn't true.

Edit: Ewan said it was exaggerated.

 

[Ithekro]

"End that species." You mean did Palpatine commit genocide against the Gungans? We know he didn't, we see several Gungans celebrating the Empire's defeat on Naboo in the DVD version of ROTJ, one of them even yells out "Weesa free!"

No not the Gungans, the race of the queen that was interested in Jar Jar. The Bardottans with their Queen Julia.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Maybe I remember it wrong, but his pay was 200,000 was it not? And he took only 30,000? Plus he knew that the cyber was worth 50,000.
Me things that is why Lucien will continue to trust him.

The implication there is that he took 200,000 and then paid 30,000 for the ship, leaving him with 170,000. I know... math.