It was.
If people really want the ship porn then have the inciting event be after the tour. Have the love affair without the ticking clock.
It's just a matter of timing. I don't agree with the timing.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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If people really want the ship porn then have the inciting event be after the tour. Have the love affair without the ticking clock.
It's just a matter of timing. I don't agree with the timing.
Controversial Opinion: I think Strange New Worlds works better in the 23rd Century than it would in the 25th Century. The type of "let's explore!", "we'll play fast-and-loose!" mindset that existed in the 23rd Century is gone by the 25th. SNW can't be the type of show it wants to be if it's set during the same time as PIC.
Bear in mind SNW isn't exactly my Star Trek show, but I can still recognize what works better and what doesn't.
Bear in mind SNW isn't exactly my Star Trek show, but I can still recognize what works better and what doesn't.
I'm not sure I see the controversy here?
Some people are still on the "No more prequels!" kick.
Sometimes it's so annoying that I want to tell them, "Show me on the doll where the prequel hurt you."
I love Discovery but yes I would have reframed it as post TNG. You could easily have the Klingons as a hostile actor, Burnham as Tuvok's protégé, and Section 31 more brazen after the war and Romulus' destruction.
if you had set it far enough in the future you could have made Burnham the daughter of Sisko and Kassidy…assuming you still wanted to tie her to a legacy character. Make it a running plot line that despite being in Starfleet she’s always trying to get out from under his shadow.
I mean, I prefer not that connection but that is a valid one as well. I did not want to loose the human raised by Vulcans angle, and the impact that would have on her as a character.
I wouldn't change a thing. Michael Burnham is the best thing to happen to the Spock character since the Genesis Wave.
Points for "Controversial Opinion".
Time for mine: While I think Saru would fit perfectly into the 24th/25th Century, Burnham wouldn't. Burnham is very much a woman of the 23rd Century. She loves to play fast-and-loose and trying to convince people to go with unconventional solutions. She's the antithesis of a TNG Era character.
When transplanted into a time like the 32nd Century, Burnham is the perfect kick in the rear-end that a decimated Federation needed. Someone from the 25th Century would be a character from the time when the rot that ultimately led to the way things were before The Burn began. The Federation became complacent, beauacratic, and stagnated.
I know that's not saying what I'm "supposed to" say like "Discovery should've initially been set Post-Nemesis!", but I just don't buy it. That's not the way Burnham's character plays, connection to Spock or not.
I also don't buy Discovery as a late-24th/early-25th Century ship. Sorry, but I don't. It doesn't look like some funky aquatic sea life, like most TNG+ ships look like. Hell, the original design for Discovery was from Planet of the -- fucking -- Titans. That was going to be a TOS Movie in the '70s. The ship design was intended for the 23rd Century and they even sneak it into the background in TSFS. It's part of the wreckage in BOBW, and presumably was an older design at the time, which takes us back to... the 23rd Century. No, I don't think Discovery looks like a mid-23rd Century ship, I'll agree with people there, but it definitely looks like a late-23rd Century ship. That's why I would've liked Discovery being set Post-TUC, during a time when Burnham's type of attitude would be in its Waning Days but would still be there and thus would still work.
Whether by accident or by design (probably little bit from Column A and a little from Column B) the 22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th, and 32nd Centuries all have a unique character to them, and you can distinguish between them if you know what to look for. Different parts of the 23rd and 24th Centuries have their own unique sub-characters too. When anyone says, "It's all the same!" it's just lazy and unobservant.
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I have to agree with that. It opened up new dimensions for Spock's character. We want dynamic, living characters, not static, calcified ones. This is especially true for characters we love, like Spock.
Michael was an interpolation for Spock's character, relative to what we knew already. Prior to the events of TOS, we knew very little. The idea that it was or had to be all locked down is quite absurd.
Some people call me a space cowboy, some call me the gangster of love...
We already have a Maurice here.
How big is that doll, and how much time do you got?
That said, SNW is the exception to the "no more prequels!" please from me, and the cure for what "Boobyprize" and to a lesser extent "Discontinuity" did to my brain.
This times like....a million.
Enterprise should've gotten one more season so we could see the Earth-Romulan War. Paramount's been dancing around it for too long; at least give us a movie or miniseries 
Enterprise should've gotten one more season so we could see the Earth-Romulan War. Paramount's been dancing around it for too long; at least give us a movie or miniseries
Out of the mouths of Birb's.
There's nothing wrong with prequels as long as they honor canon and continuity. ENT was questionable in this respect, but DIS is the most blatant offender.
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I also want my shows to look forward, but if done right I think prequels can be great. ENT S4 is probably the best example, that felt fresh and new despite being a prequel series. My biggest issue is when the films and shows rehash popular old characters and themes as a shortcut to relevancy. I'm so tired of all the recycling of Spock and Sarek and Khan and Picard, for my liking that's the biggest obstacle in the way of moving forward.
I want something new that stands on its own feet, without the baggage of legacy characters. Be that in a prequel or not.
I want something new that stands on its own feet, without the baggage of legacy characters. Be that in a prequel or not.
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