Law & Order General Discussion Thread

Now that Shaw is in the picture, I've decided that Bernard was much more annoying than Cosgrove.

Edit: L&O season 21 is already gone from Peacock? The hell?

 

^^ I liked Bernard. He was the senior detective trying to fix Cosgrove's world view. Cosgrove's character needs to stop yelling every time the suspect doesn't get hung.

 

Wow. Hooray for free speech, eh?

Being senior detective gave Bernard a supervisory role, not a re-education one. It was not his fucking job to "fix Cosgrove's world view." Agree with it or not, Cosgrove is just as entitled to hold to his personal view of the world as Bernard was entitled to his, or I am to mine...or you are to yours! If Bernard had managed to sway Cosgrove through persuasion and debate, fine. Don't act like changing Cosgrove is a necessity and now all hope is lost because Bernard is gone.

 

^^ Calm down, have some dip.

How does an experienced police officer not expect the case to not always go the way they want in court. Not every lost case is on the attorney. It's random roulette with a jury.

I like Cosgrove as a character, despite his flaws. It is just paint by numbers writing to have him scream at Price that he blew the case or he needs to win the case.

 

When part of the experience has been learning exactly how much and what types of evidence he needs to make a case against a suspect, doing all the work to gather it and having the court result he expected short-circuited by an acquittal or a deal. He's a human being, and no normal human being likes to think he did everything right and it ultimately didn't matter, and just going "Que Sera sera" before a court case won't lessen the frustration of a negative result.

The process of jury selection works against the idea of the jury being perfectly random. Both sides accept and reject members until an imperfect compromise is reached.

And a randomized jury is not an excuse. Convincing whatever jury he has to convict the defendant is his job. It is indeed on him if he fails to convict. All the detective can do is turn over the case and testify. He's not the one who has to actually argue the case.

It's not paint by numbers unless you expect Cosgrove to shrug his shoulders and accept every outcome without hurting Price's feelings. I don't. The prosecutor is a perfectly reasonable target for a veteran cop's frustrations.

 

I kinda like where OC is going with the Silas arc. I wonder if that shot of the huge-ass casino next to the dilapidated apartment was CGI or real...

And why do I suspect that, just like with the Marcy Killers, the wife is going to be the only one left standing at the end?

Oh, and it's nice to know some things never change: Denise is being a whiny bitch, as usual.

 

Why are so many TV police spouses written to be exactly like her? Is there no other way to have drama?

 

Whenever the subject of L&O spouses comes up I always flash back to "Confession" where Max Greevey's killer had considered going after Max's wife as well. Thus giving rise to one of my favorite Cragen lines in the entire series:

"Too bad he didn't go that route. Marie would have kicked his ass!"

 

About the last Mothership episode (the subway shooting):

Since when does the jury decide on sentencing? Isn't that the purview of the JUDGE?

 

I'm gonna go with, "It depends."

The subway shooting became a federal trial and was prosecuted as a hate crime. Maybe those circumstances required a jury decision on sentencing, regardless of the norm in New York State.

 

I couldn't stand Keiko.

 

I'll say it again, the casino arc is way more interesting than any arc OC has done before. I'm almost hoping it'll last the entire season although it probably won't.

As for the mothership: There was a disclaimer, so obviously this latest ep (about the murder of the author of a tell-all book) was ripped from a headline. Anyone know which one?

Welcome to the human race.

 

Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard. The accused is a Depp stand-in - charismatic actor that everybody loves and believes - only this time he got what he deserved. Yass, queen!

 

SVU did that last week.

 

It's not like the shows have exclusive ownership of the headlines. They're all perfectly capable of engaging in the same progressive wishful thinking.

 

Indeed. Both times, they took Amber's side. Now who couldn't see THAT coming.

Side note: I'm actually growing to like Muncy on SVU. I can already tell she will be much, MUCH less annoying than Rollins.

 

I'll have to take your word for it. Still not watching SVU and I've given up on OC. I'm sticking with just TOS for the foreseeable future.

 

They've finally cast a good team around Stabler and the villains are not caricatures. I think the title Organized Crime leads the mind to thinking of the mob and only the mob. It's good to see some white collar criminals.

 

I'm honestly bored of the casino arc. It hasn't drawn me in yet. Past the guys wife. Other than that, no dice.