Maybe it's just meant as foreshadowing.
Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series
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I mean it's not like the movies never added anything incredibly stupid/awkward to the plot that was then handwaves away. Like having an army of Elves appear at Helm's Deep only for them to completely disappear without a trace or mention by the next movie. Or Arwen, somehow, "tying her life to the quest for the Ring" and almost unaliving because of that to add cheap tension and so she can lift that stupid banner from her face at Minas Tirith for a, supposed surprise reveal that she's still alive, or Saurman's storyline simply abruptly ending without resolution...
But yes, it will be interestingn to see how the show forces it all back into a semblance of canon.
Why foreshadow something that doesn't happen for over two thousand years, well into the Third Age? It was Durin VI's bane, not Durin III's, IV's, or V's. Not that it matters - the lore got booted out of the window in episode one. This is just Tolkien theme-park-ride fantasy. I don't care enough to hate it, provided that it provides some distracting entertainment. It's eminently disposable though. I doubt I'll watch any of it again.
I mostly agree with the caveat that I understand and agree with the issue of having a Third Age event occurring in the Second Age.
But the Balrog hasn't gotten out yet. It's still in it's mythril prison and likely won't get out for awhile. Nothing sacrilegious has happened.
I think if I were to regard these things as canon is a fool's errand, much like the fool's hope of the quest succeeding. The films were great but hardly canonical, and often left out some of the more excellent elements in the favor of pacing or dramatic tension, as one of my good friends would complain as we watched it. That was OK though because we thoroughly enjoyed the ride.
Adaptation is something that lining up with "canon" will lead to more frustration than enjoyment, which is not the way I want to participate in entertainment. Tolkien wrote the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings because there were no stories out there that he enjoyed reading. So, he decided to write his own, based upon his great love of language, history, and England. That I can still derive a measure of enjoyment from a work he wrote to satisfy his own need is remarkable in of itself.
That Rings of Power is not canonical takes about as much away from my enjoyment of the show as the Lord of the Rings film was diminished by the lack of Glorfindel, Prince of Dol Amroth, more assertive Gandalf vs. the Mouth of Sauron, etc.
Where's the line?
I think if I were to regard these things as canon is a fool's errand, much like the fool's hope of the quest succeeding. The films were great but hardly canonical, and often left out some of the more excellent elements in the favor of pacing or dramatic tension, as one of my good friends would complain as we watched it. That was OK though because we thoroughly enjoyed the ride.
Adaptation is something that lining up with "canon" will lead to more frustration than enjoyment, which is not the way I want to participate in entertainment. Tolkien wrote the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings because there were no stories out there that he enjoyed reading. So, he decided to write his own, based upon his great love of language, history, and England. That I can still derive a measure of enjoyment from a work he wrote to satisfy his own need is remarkable in of itself.
That Rings of Power is not canonical takes about as much away from my enjoyment of the show as the Lord of the Rings film was diminished by the lack of Glorfindel, Prince of Dol Amroth, more assertive Gandalf vs. the Mouth of Sauron, etc.
Where's the line?
I meant it will be interesting to see whether the shopw will try to stay in canon/continuity with the films. It does seem to try to sell the idea that it's the same universe (the Balrog's design, really the designs of many things)
That's what I meant.
For example, Celeborn returning somehow/when could still work with the show and the film sharing the same continuity, because unlike in the book Galadriel never said those lines about Celeborn living in the west since the days of dawn or that they worked together for countless years to fight the slow decay.
Everybody's line is different. Mine is I don't want Galadriel bonking Halbrand, only for her to find out that he's Sauron and that Celeborn is still alive. I can tolerate what I've seen so far. I don't really care if the Dwarves uncover a Balrog, but judging by the depths, it won't happen this season.
If mithril can imprison Balrogs - I don't think this is canon BTW - why does Sauron seek to collect as much of possible for himself in the Third Age in the actual canon? Is he trying to prevent it being used against him?
If mithril can imprison Balrogs - I don't think this is canon BTW - why does Sauron seek to collect as much of possible for himself in the Third Age in the actual canon? Is he trying to prevent it being used against him?
Apologies then. I completely misread and went of on a tear...
Sauron would gather everything that could be used against him. Of course he would. As well as the simple spite of keeping it from those who value it.
No worries, I could have been clearer.Apologies then. I completely misread and went of on a tear...
I’m so looking forward to Friday’s season finale! Will be interesting to see what revelations this season ends on…
The showrunners have apparently revealed that the three cultists in white are from the land of Rhûn in the Eastlands. I've seen speculation that they are skin-changers like Beorn, and were the three creatures that the Stranger drove off.
I saw a new banner ad showing Sauron with the caption Evil Will Be Revealed, so I'm pretty sure we'll at least be finding out who, if anyone, is Sauron.I’m so looking forward to Friday’s season finale! Will be interesting to see what revelations this season ends on…
Still think Waldreg is Sauron, especially now at this point.
I think it's very possible that he gets captured and taken to Numenor in the season finale, where he starts his work corrupting Pharazon and his fellow Numenoreans.
And i see no reason so far for Halbrand ending up there this way.
Also guess such a thing wouldn't work with Adar, because they already aren't really fond of Elves in Numenor...
I think it's very possible that he gets captured and taken to Numenor in the season finale, where he starts his work corrupting Pharazon and his fellow Numenoreans.
And i see no reason so far for Halbrand ending up there this way.
Also guess such a thing wouldn't work with Adar, because they already aren't really fond of Elves in Numenor...
If Waldreg is Sauron's fair form, I think there's been a cockup in casting.
I tried to argue with you seriously last time you brought this up. But this time, not worth my time...
I’m actually leaning towards Waldreg now, and I think he’s going to shape-shift into a fairer form - when people become aware he’s Sauron.
My thought is that he is revealed to be Sauron and captured - and taken to Numenor in his fair form, never to change back into ‘Walkdreg’-mode.
Waldreg’s been present in some significant developments, and more so than other background / supporting characters - and I feel the Sauron-reveal will only have real impact to viewers if he’s been ‘right under our noses’ so to speak - rather than being a completely unseen character.
Halbrand seems too obvious, and The Stranger is also a misdirect (IMO).
Just my hunch… here on the verge of tonight’s momentous Season Finale!
My thought is that he is revealed to be Sauron and captured - and taken to Numenor in his fair form, never to change back into ‘Walkdreg’-mode.
Waldreg’s been present in some significant developments, and more so than other background / supporting characters - and I feel the Sauron-reveal will only have real impact to viewers if he’s been ‘right under our noses’ so to speak - rather than being a completely unseen character.
Halbrand seems too obvious, and The Stranger is also a misdirect (IMO).
Just my hunch… here on the verge of tonight’s momentous Season Finale!
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