What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kor]

Isn't Picard S2 still under moratorium for discussion without spoiler tags?
Just to be on the safe side...

Spoiler: Picard S2

For me it really pulled at the heartstrings when Picard talked about how as an adult he would picture his mother having grown old and inviting him in for tea, as we saw exactly that as an illusion in TNG's "WNOHGB." Perhaps some viewers would have found the reference a little too 'on the nose.'

My controversial opinion for the week: We should have gotten "Phase II" instead of TMP and the subsequent movies, even if it only lasted a few years and effectively ended the franchise. It would have been fascinating to see how things played out with Xon, Ilia, Decker, et al. Klingon culture and society could have been developed in a much better way than what eventually happened.


Kor

 

[fireproof78]

My controversial opinion for the week: We should have gotten "Phase II" instead of TMP and the subsequent movies, even if it only lasted a few years and effectively ended the franchise. It would have been fascinating to see how things played out with Xon, Ilia, Decker, et al. Klingon culture and society could have been developed in a much better way than what eventually happened.

1000% this.

 

[Lord Garth]

23 years and I've never heard anyone ever say on this board, "Even though I don't agree with you, you make a convincing argument for why (insert current or recent Star Trek production here) could be the best!" I accomplished the impossible.

My work is done.

 

[plynch]

Overhead, without any fuss, the stars are going out.

 

[tesral]

Overhead, without any fuss, the stars are going out.

The Nine Billion Names of God -- Arthur C. Clarke

 

[Farscape One]

23 years and I've never heard anyone ever say on this board, "Even though I don't agree with you, you make a convincing argument for why (insert current or recent Star Trek production here) could be the best!" I accomplished the impossible.

My work is done.

You're welcome.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

23 years and I've never heard anyone ever say on this board, "Even though I don't agree with you, you make a convincing argument for why (insert current or recent Star Trek production here) could be the best!" I accomplished the impossible.

My work is done.

You fought your corner well and I agreed with much that you said. Still I'd disagree with you in a way that may please you. I'm only two episodes from the end now and I'm sort of thinking that DSC Season 4 is the best ever Trek Season... I've loved it from start to finish.

*ducks*

 

[Lord Garth]

You fought your corner well and I agreed with much that you said. Still I'd disagree with you in a way that may please you. I'm only two episodes from the end now and I'm sort of thinking that DSC Season 4 is the best ever Trek Season... I've loved it from start to finish.

*ducks*

Discovery Season 4 is my runner-up to Picard Season 1, for New Trek.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Season 4 had some pacing issues in the latter half of the season, but they nailed the landing well enough that it can be forgiven.

 

[Lord Garth]

Picard Season 3? We'll see. They've never switched out almost the entire cast for a Star Trek show before (not including after "The Cage"). I'm looking forward to it, but I'm looking forward to it in the way of, "This is the movie I wish they made when I was in high school or college! Better late than never!"

So, I saw the trailer about 30 minutes ago, and -- without spoiling anything -- it looks like it is indeed the "movie" I wanted in the 2000s instead of what we actually got... Nemesis and nothing else, movie-wise, until a reboot.

I remember back then I'd tell people IRL, "I like Star Trek from before it went to shit." If something like PIC Season 3 came out back then, I wouldn't have said that. As it is, it's like me and a lot of the people who liked the stuff from back then have switched places.

 

[somebuddyX]

Maybe Kirk, Spock and McCoy were the three wise men or something and God was that thing from the episode "The Child" or maybe like another space probe that went insane.

 

[publiusr]

Here’s an unpopular opinion
TMP wasn’t long enough to tell the story of such scope.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Here’s an unpopular opinion
TMP wasn’t long enough to tell the story of such scope.

I think it was plenty long enough. They just ate up minutes, minutes, and many more minutes of the film with VFX porn.

That's fine, I love VFX porn. But in this case it did not lend itself to telling the story. The vast majority of the VFX porn occurred before we knew anything about V'ger.

 

[tesral]

Here’s an unpopular opinion
TMP wasn’t long enough to tell the story of such scope.

The Directors cut does tie it up better. The movie was not really done at the Premiere.

 

[Farscape One]

The outside tour of the Enterprise is possibly my favorite bit of TMP. I can understand why some would think it's too long, but two things.

First, I put myself in the era it was made, and at that time there was a decade between TOS ending and TMP. It was not only a 'welcome home' to the fans, but it really showed just how beautiful and graceful she was.

Second, I love my starships. They have always been a very important part of whatever show I watch. (STAR TREK, STARGATE, BSG, B5... you name it.) As a show goes on, you learn more about the ships... you get to know them. I know a few have disagreed with me, but a starship is very much a character. The refit Enterprise was just a masterpiece. The TOS Enterprise will always have a special place in my heart, but the refit was just GORGEOUS. It fully deserved that tour on TMP.


This might be a controversial opinion, but this is the right thread for it... I think we could have gotten a few more minutes of that tour.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Directors cut does tie it up better. The movie was not really done at the Premiere.

Even granting that in some sense it/they bring(s) the film closer to being finished, the TMP DE does not alter the story, it alters only a few minor details, so... no, I don't think so.

 

[fireproof78]

The outside tour of the Enterprise is possibly my favorite bit of TMP. I can understand why some would think it's too long, but two things.

First, I put myself in the era it was made, and at that time there was a decade between TOS ending and TMP. It was not only a 'welcome home' to the fans, but it really showed just how beautiful and graceful she was.

Second, I love my starships. They have always been a very important part of whatever show I watch. (STAR TREK, STARGATE, BSG, B5... you name it.) As a show goes on, you learn more about the ships... you get to know them. I know a few have disagreed with me, but a starship is very much a character. The refit Enterprise was just a masterpiece. The TOS Enterprise will always have a special place in my heart, but the refit was just GORGEOUS. It fully deserved that tour on TMP.


This might be a controversial opinion, but this is the right thread for it... I think we could have gotten a few more minutes of that tour.

My only objection is just the pacing. Here's the urgent crisis and...a long tour around it. Sorry, from a story point of view it takes away from the desired effect.

Now, is it a beautiful ship? Absolutely and a credit to all the special effects of the film. Is it a ship I appreciate more than others? Yes, I do. I think it has a unique enough look that it stands out, even from other Trek ships. It is definitely a work of art.

Does it work for me in the context of the film? No.

And never mind the whole character question.

 

[Orphalesion]

Second, I love my starships. They have always been a very important part of whatever show I watch. (STAR TREK, STARGATE, BSG, B5... you name it.) As a show goes on, you learn more about the ships... you get to know them. I know a few have disagreed with me, but a starship is very much a character. The refit Enterprise was just a masterpiece. The TOS Enterprise will always have a special place in my heart, but the refit was just GORGEOUS. It fully deserved that tour on TMP.

I love costumes, especially historical and scifi ones (which really is one of the elements about much of NuTrek I dislike, their tendency to have civilian clothing resemble modern civilian clothing instead of getting creative)
So I can understand it to some extend, I do love me some shots of characters or groups of extras just walking around in interesting costumes.And I even think that, for example, Padme got way too many costumes in Attack of the Clones because all of them were gorgeous and almost none of them got the screen time they deserved.
But a four minute scene that just displays a single character in an interesting dress interspaced with nothing but reaction shots from two other characters would still be a bit long for me, no matter how interesting or gorgeous that dress was

 

[Farscape One]

My only objection is just the pacing. Here's the urgent crisis and...a long tour around it. Sorry, from a story point of view it takes away from the desired effect.

Now, is it a beautiful ship? Absolutely and a credit to all the special effects of the film. Is it a ship I appreciate more than others? Yes, I do. I think it has a unique enough look that it stands out, even from other Trek ships. It is definitely a work of art.

Does it work for me in the context of the film? No.

And never mind the whole character question.

But that tour took only an extra 5-10 minutes of Kirk and Scotty's time, since they were on the way up via that pod anyway. It works in story for two reasons.

First, it would be about 12 hours before she was ready to go. Everyone on the ship is already doing everything they can to get the Enterprise ready. Those few minutes were not going to make a difference. If a few minutes were really going to be that impactful, then having that entire scene with the whole crew in the lounge was unnecessary, because that scene was at least as long as the tour.

Second, it was a completely different ship from what Kirk knew... something Decker pointed out to Kirk himself. This was a way of getting Kirk more aware of his new ship. Wouldn't you agree that whoever is in command should know the ins and outs of the ship they commanded?

And third, Kirk and Scotty are the two who loved the Enterprise the most. Having them be the ones doing the tour was a way of inserting the audience in that scene, because we all missed her, loved her, and was thrilled to see her again.

(I know the third point is more an audience and writer POV than an actual in story reason, but it still works perfectly.)

 

[1001001]

TMP…but longer?

Good God…