Spoilers Andor season one
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Wookieepedia lists her as a lieutenant. The rank tiles are, as always, cool AF, while remaining utterly baffling, if not downright inconsistent.
I've heard it both ways in a couple of shows. I've said it both ways.
Huh? I wasn't saying she was an Ensign, I was talking about her pronunciation of the word.Wookieepedia lists her as a lieutenant. The rank tiles are, as always, cool AF, while remaining utterly baffling, if not downright inconsistent.
But rank insignia has been pretty consistent recently, depending on what the era the project is set in.
Ah.
For the "ensign" pronunciation, are we talking episode 4? This line: "Ensign retrieved a sealed Imperial NS-9 Star path unit from the site" (as transcribed here). I must not have been paying close attention since I don't remember the different pronunciation.
Mirriam Webster gives the "en-sine" pronunciation as a variant for specific uses of the word: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ensign
When used for rank, according to this, it could be pronounced "en-sine" for an infantry officer, but "en-sen/sin" for a Navy or Coast Guard officer. But I don't know how often this distinction actually occurs in everyday real-world usage, or how it varies between UK and US English, or Australian, Canadian, Hiberno-English, etc. A cursory glance at Wikipedia suggests that in the modern UK armed forces, "ensign" only occurs in the Foot Guards regiments which are regular infantry, but somebody with more familiarity with the subject please feel free to chime in with further clarification on that.
Do we want to get nitpicky and try to determine whether the Ensign in question was the Imperial equivalent of infantry or navy?
Kor
Mirriam Webster gives the "en-sine" pronunciation as a variant for specific uses of the word: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ensign
When used for rank, according to this, it could be pronounced "en-sine" for an infantry officer, but "en-sen/sin" for a Navy or Coast Guard officer. But I don't know how often this distinction actually occurs in everyday real-world usage, or how it varies between UK and US English, or Australian, Canadian, Hiberno-English, etc. A cursory glance at Wikipedia suggests that in the modern UK armed forces, "ensign" only occurs in the Foot Guards regiments which are regular infantry, but somebody with more familiarity with the subject please feel free to chime in with further clarification on that.
Do we want to get nitpicky and try to determine whether the Ensign in question was the Imperial equivalent of infantry or navy?
Kor
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Does anyone else's Star Trek antenna go up everytime someone mentions Lt. Gorn?
I say navy.Do we want to get nitpicky and try to determine whether the Ensign in question was the Imperial equivalent of infantry or navy?
Andor's title alone irritatingly does that.
Yeah, my Star Trek antennae go up on that, for sure.
Mostly blue ones.Yeah, my Star Trek antennae go up on that, for sure.
Do we want to get nitpicky and try to determine whether the Ensign in question was the Imperial equivalent of infantry or navy?
Kor
Ensign is a naval rank. That said, SW uses army and navy ranks in a clumsy, willy-nilly fashion without much thought behind it.
But what I really despise is the term "Imperial Navy." In the original SW, it was "the star fleet" or "starfleet." Yes, that term obviously was already owned by Star Trek, but to me, I'd rather haven them call it "star fleet" with a small "S" or "the star fleet" rather than hear that dumbass Navy term.
"Imperial Navy" wasn't even officially canonical (used in live action) until a deleted scene in Solo and I was really hoping I'd never have to hear it again.
Alas.
Deleted scenes aren't canon unless referenced somewhere else.
Which it was in the Solo comic. So I guess my point is moot.
Of all the things to get the panties in a twist about...
Oh well. I've always used the term Imperial Army and Navy whenever doing RPGs so this is nothing new.
As for the show, it still doesn't have much in the way for me to care about the characters. Luthen and Mon are the closest but Mon's husband makes it difficult, and the whole team is hard to actually believe in. Everyone is cagey, defensive and unpleasant. At least Luthen had charm and an edge. The team just has the edge.
But, the show demonstrates the ability to craft tension in an interesting style. I might not care about the team but I am interested in the formation of the Rebellion.
I've been wondering how this show is going to intersect with the others.
So I think, outside of Saw Gerrera who is bound to meet every rebel cell in the small galaxy, that leaves zero true opportunities for any direct interactions. Everything runs parallel and analogous to the developments in the other stories, with no need or chance to cross each other yet. And it should not until 4 BBY.
Andor's cell operates independently and unknowingly of others, he'd be lucky to have his storyline intersect with the one going on on Coruscant. The second season might, but I don't expect him to meet familiar rebels outside of Saw.
I suspect Mothma supports an operation mostly uncoordinated with Bail's; no younger Ahsoka to be on the horizon, either (she was our last hope for Andor to qualify as a Star Wars Production).
Dedra Meero is worrying me. She sees things that should not be seeing. And is the only one with view of the forming of the wider rebellion at this time (outside of its own central figures, if they do). I wonder when she gets reports of strange activity over Lothal.
I hope we see Sly Moore, in dinner settings, and Syril gets to meet with someone interesting.
- Bad Batch 19 BBY
- Unexplained background group fighting the empire for a mysterious figure. Ahsoka can't be involved.
- You know who
- Ahsoka novel 18 BBY
- Ahsoka stops hiding, joins Bail
- Solo 10 BBY
- Group of rebels fighting crime syndicates that the Empire allowed to flourish in the Outer Rim at that time
- Obi-Wan Kenobi 9 BBY
- Hidden Path was revealed
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Tala is an imperial defector
- Clones appear
- Andor 5 BBY-0 BBY
- Imperials and rebels alike yet unaware there is a rebellion, Mon Mothma and Luthen seem to
- Some imperials are onto the rebellion
- No evidence Organa and Mothma are working together, or admit they are aware of each other's activities yet
- Mon Mothma is about to have a dinner with a Force Sensitive friend of Palpatine's, but no friends of her own
- Lt. Gorn is an imperial defector
- Syril could become one yet, or otherwise go off on his own and meet some pople
- Leida appears to have been born somewhere very close to Empire Day, so a reminder of a Senator's child who have grown since the Kenobi series, but her and her father's allegiances are altogether unclear
- Saw Gerrera yet to appear
- Rebels 5 BBY-0 BBY
- Before or very early 5 BBY, Sabine Wren defected too
- Imperial defectors abound
- Rebels unaware there is a rebellion in 5 BBY, Ahsoka and Bail do
- Rebellion becomes open in 4 BBY
- Lando appears in 4 BBY
- Mon Mothma doesn't appear until 2 BBY, when she resigns from the Senate. IIRC, she fled after resigning, so she doesn't get caught with the work she does with Luthen. Officially; but he might.
- Final scene shared with Ahsoka, could be circa 9 ABY
- Clones and Saw Gerrera
- Before or very early 5 BBY, Sabine Wren defected too
- (Lando unclear; somewhere within 10 BBY-4 ABY)
- Donald Grover is unavailable to shoot the show, and therefore cameos for any other shows
- Rogue One 0 BBY
- Andor and the Ghost are on Yavin at the same time, so they've met by this point?
- Saw Gerrera
- Ahsoka / Mandalorian 9 ABY
- Grogu could have been in the care of the Hidden Path.
- Saw Gerrera only does not appear because he's dead
So I think, outside of Saw Gerrera who is bound to meet every rebel cell in the small galaxy, that leaves zero true opportunities for any direct interactions. Everything runs parallel and analogous to the developments in the other stories, with no need or chance to cross each other yet. And it should not until 4 BBY.
Andor's cell operates independently and unknowingly of others, he'd be lucky to have his storyline intersect with the one going on on Coruscant. The second season might, but I don't expect him to meet familiar rebels outside of Saw.
I suspect Mothma supports an operation mostly uncoordinated with Bail's; no younger Ahsoka to be on the horizon, either (she was our last hope for Andor to qualify as a Star Wars Production).
Dedra Meero is worrying me. She sees things that should not be seeing. And is the only one with view of the forming of the wider rebellion at this time (outside of its own central figures, if they do). I wonder when she gets reports of strange activity over Lothal.
I hope we see Sly Moore, in dinner settings, and Syril gets to meet with someone interesting.
Who cares? This show is so much better than almost every other project you listed, it should feel free to streamroll over whatever "continuity" they already established if they need to to tell their story. No one needs to know or care what Ahsoka, Han or the Rebels crew are doing during the timeframe of Andor.
BTW, Rebels already fucked up Mon Mothma's timeline, since she was clearly intended as still being a sitting senator in Rogue One.
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This show should do whatever it wants.
If they are ignoring established continuity, I don't see why would I care for the show at all. I'm watching it cause it's Star Wars. Ergo respects canon.
Who gives a shit if it respects some crap Filoni farted out eight years ago if it's a good show? Oy.....
