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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

What's this have to do with a movie made in 2022? We're better than this now.

Which is, I believe, what TG1 is saying, that we no longer have to perpetuate the mistake of making an Egyptian pharaoh look like Flash Gordon.

And I'm talking about Hawkman. Not anyone from his past. Current day Hawkman. Who can be cast as anybody.

Except, as the above panels and Legends of Tomorrow show, the convention from the beginning has usually been to depict all of Hawkman's and Hawkgirl's reincarnations as identical in appearance. Smallville did the same with Michael Shanks. Yes, you can argue generically that there's no reason a reincarnated soul has to have the same body, but it's a commonplace fictional convention for this kind of story to keep the various incarnations of a person recognizable to the audience, and to avoid having to hire multiple actors to play what's narratively the same character. Given that that's usually been done with Hawkman, it's logical to expect they might do the same in this movie, regardless of the more general logic of your argument.

So within that context, if only one actor is playing every incarnation from Khufu to Carter Hall, then it's a good idea to cast someone who resembles the historical Khufu's evidently Nubian or similar appearance. Although the Khufu depicted in the carving I linked to looks more like Christopher Judge, maybe, than Aldis Hodge.
 
So within that context, if only one actor is playing every incarnation from Khufu to Carter Hall, then it's a good idea to cast someone who resembles the historical Khufu's evidently Nubian or similar appearance. Although the Khufu depicted in the carving I linked to looks more like Christopher Judge, maybe, than Aldis Hodge.

But then you get into major problems by using the same actor for his other reincarnations. Which you avoid by re-casting (or Quantum Leaping, of course)

I can't seem to link images well, but I'm thinking specifically when we've had flashbacks to native north american versus Captain John Smith versus feudal Japan.
 
Also: gotta love that reference to the "Hawk-God Anubis!" Anubis the... Hawk God. :lol: Between that and the broadsword, the white skin and blonde hair is... just one of several problems.

I'm pretty sure more recent depictions of (ancient) Khufu have darkened his skin and referenced Horus?

I don't think Khufu's ethnicity was "Semitic," if by that you mean something like Arabs or Israelis. He and his family were depicted in statues with Nubian features or something like them.

I meant like modern Egyptians. But of course it's a big country and there's a range of ethicities as you travel up the Nile. Apparently there's depiction of Khufu then, so... fair enough!
 
But then you get into major problems by using the same actor for his other reincarnations. Which you avoid by re-casting (or Quantum Leaping, of course) I can't seem to link images well, but I'm thinking specifically when we've had flashbacks to native north american versus Captain John Smith versus feudal Japan.

Natrually a screen adaptation of a comic book is under no obligation to copy its exact story or character beats. Anything can be changed to fit the new version. Heck, the MCU's Peter Parker doesn't even seem to have the formative Uncle Ben tragedy, which is about as radical a change as you can make.

I mean, of course, the movie could choose to interpret Hawkman that way, as having many faces throughout the ages, and maybe even being Thanagarian or other species in some of his lives. But they could also go the "same face every life" route as so many others have done. It doesn't make sense to say it couldn't work, since anything about the backstory could be changed to fit that approach.



I meant like modern Egyptians. But of course it's a big country and there's a range of ethicities as you travel up the Nile.

I'm not sure the modern ethnic mix in Egypt is the same as it was 4600 years ago, since there's been a lot of migration, conquest, and the like in the interim. Apparently Ancient Egypt is now believed to have had a pretty eclectic mix of ethnic groups migrating from all over and intermixing, not being defined as separate identities the way we do today but just coexisting as Egyptians.
 
According to the My Review - Aaron Fischer YT channel (starting @ 3:40), DC's released a comic prequel to the forthcoming Flash movie, with an exchange between Batman & the Flash that Fischer (and others in social media) believe makes a direct reference to the Flash's actions in ZSJL (as opposed to the theatrical version), which in his estimation, canonizes the film. He goes on to refer to other talents currently working on DC films who treat ZSJL as canon.
 
Tie in comics are basically never canon, even when they don't end up getting correctly contradicted. The level of, at this point, outright delusion by the most hardcore Snyder stans has really just gone out of control. Soon they're going to be playing the Black Adam trailers backward to see if there is any pro-Snyder shit in them :rolleyes:
 
Ahh, the extremes of Snyder-hate leads some to con themselves of a hard, final separation despite evidence to the contrary.
 
Ahh, the extremes of Snyder-hate leads some to con themselves of a hard, final separation despite evidence to the contrary.

Remember when Data was captain of the Enterprise E in the canon "Countdown" comics leading up to 2009's Star Trek movie? I probably don't have to mention the Star Wars stuff either...

Comics are the least canon of any media tie-in.
 
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Remember when Data was captain of the Enterprise E in the canon "Countdown" comics leading up to 2009's Star Trek movie?

Those comics were never canon. One interviewer inappropriately browbeat Roberto Orci into agreeing with his insistence that they were canon just to shut the guy up, and Orci retracted it a day later.


Comics are the least canon of any media tie-in.

Untrue. No Star Trek media tie-ins are canonical at all. There are no degrees of canonicity in Trek tie-ins, there's just canon (the shows/films) and not canon (everything else).

There are other series in which the comics have been canonical, because canon is about authorship, not medium. The Babylon 5 comics from DC were nearly all based on stories by J. Michael Straczynski, and they were considered canonical even though the contemporary Dell novels, which were intended to be canonical, turned out not to be (with two exceptions) because JMS wasn't able to supervise them as closely as he'd hoped. Comics are shorter than novels, and it's thus easier for a busy showrunner to find the time to keep them canon-consistent. Many TV creators are more interested in comics tie-ins than prose, because comics are closer in format to TV/movie writing. The Arrowverse tie-in comics are mostly considered canonical by the showrunners, though the early ones basically fall into the pre-Flashpoint version of the timeline and thus could be freely contradicted. However, I believe the prose Arrowverse tie-ins are considered to be an alternate continuity from the shows. So that's another case where the comics are more canonical than the prose works.

Of course, most canonical tie-ins come out after the series they tie into have ended, since only then do the creators have enough time to write or oversee them directly. There are cases where both comics and novels are considered equally canonical, e.g. the Avatar/Korra tie-in publications.
 
*Shrugs*
Between all the comics and novel tie-ins I've read that are eventually contradicted on screen, I basically say only what's on screen is canon. The rest are just fun stories with the same characters since it's only a matter of time before a sequel or continuation does their own thing since 9 times out of 10 the showrunner/movie runner doesn't even know a comic from their franchise even exists.

And like they'd bend over backwards to ensure they don't contradict that story as well if something got in the way of what they wanted to tell or even had to.
 
The statement in question is in the comic Batman tells Flash, "Listen to me, Barry -- you went toe-to-toe with the worst the universe had to offer and saved this planet.". I have no particular feelings towards whether or not Snyder is canon on not but this statement seems tenuous, I could see being hopeful but I wouldn't consider it definitive.

AFAIK, at this point, everything but possibly Justice League is still canon within the DCEU, isn't it? Is this just about Snyder's changes to JL or more than that?
 
The statement in question is in the comic Batman tells Flash, "Listen to me, Barry -- you went toe-to-toe with the worst the universe had to offer and saved this planet.". I have no particular feelings towards whether or not Snyder is canon on not but this statement seems tenuous, I could see being hopeful but I wouldn't consider it definitive.

AFAIK, at this point, everything but possibly Justice League is still canon within the DCEU, isn't it? Is this just about Snyder's changes to JL or more than that?
I had a feeling that this would be a case of a YouTuber misrepresenting things in order to fool Snyder fans into a confirmation bias and thus generate views.
 
Haven't some higher ups from WB recently went on record to say that there is only one version of justice league, and it's Whedon's? After that statement, continuing the debate is delusional wishful thinking on the part of Snyder stans.
 
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