If we want to talk about bridge characters that got no characterization, look no further than to Lt. Ayala. From Chakotay's number one to Voyager's number none.
Enterprise is a better show than Discovery
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The bridge crew on DIS are all intended to be redshirts that have not had a redshirt death.
I don’t deny that Burnham should be able to talk to her crew every once in a while, beyond giving orders and the bridge crew responding to something on their panels. But that’s not the way the show is written. For better or for worse.
I don’t deny that Burnham should be able to talk to her crew every once in a while, beyond giving orders and the bridge crew responding to something on their panels. But that’s not the way the show is written. For better or for worse.
I just re-watched "Stormy Weather" and the focus is pretty well spread out between all the characters. Book has his arc, Zora has her arc, Grey has his arc, Bryce is the Science Guy, everyone brings something to the table on the bridge in general, and we get good insight into Book's past and Saru's point of view. Some great Zora/Grey scenes. Some great Burnham/Zora scenes where a lot of the focus is on Zora. Some great scenes with Book and his father. This other show some people are talking about where it's All Burnham All The Time, it sure wasn't here.
I think that just because someone's seen the show doesn't mean they're actually watching it. I mean really watching it and actually paying attention to everything. Not just having it on, actively looking for things to find wrong with it, fixating on a couple of pet peeves (real or perceived), and complaining over it while missing what's going on. They're two different things.
Here's a tell-tale sign: You respond with specifics and they respond with generalities or double-down on what they said before while deliberately ignoring anything that counters it.
I think that just because someone's seen the show doesn't mean they're actually watching it. I mean really watching it and actually paying attention to everything. Not just having it on, actively looking for things to find wrong with it, fixating on a couple of pet peeves (real or perceived), and complaining over it while missing what's going on. They're two different things.
Here's a tell-tale sign: You respond with specifics and they respond with generalities or double-down on what they said before while deliberately ignoring anything that counters it.
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Oh FFS. If you think Burnham has no flaws then you need to watch again.
You joined the forum just to create a dull shit-stain of a topic like this?
I could not have said it better. Going through Season 4 right now and the focus throughout has been on Michael, the President, Zora, Book, Tarka, Stamets, Culber, Tilly, all have had their moments so far and while Michael is and always has been the lead character, I don't feel she's overshadowed anybody.
So once again we have a newbie broadcasting ill-informed prejudices as truth. Ah well. I know how it goes by now. Most likely banned in a few weeks and good riddance.
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That would've given him an echo chamber instead of the type of reactions he wants.
If he posted this in the ENT Forum, of course the regulars there would be more likely to say, "I agree! Enterprise is better than Discovery!," with little-to-no pushback.
Where as here it's borderline trollin' IMHO.....
Tell me what Jonathan Archer did before being captain of the Enterprise, other than one test flight. I'll wait.
Did he captain any other ships? Serve on any? There is nothing.
Literally, nothing.
Ariam got more development in that one episode than Archer did in 98.
No character in DSC has suffered the same neglect Mayweather did. Who is he?
We know similarly little about any of them really. Most of the characters in Enterprise are just a bunch of vague traits with a nationality bolted on for flavour.
We know similarly little about any of them really. Most of the characters in Enterprise are just a bunch of vague traits with a nationality bolted on for flavour.
Haven't they been doing "Round robin" discussion scenes with the DISCO bridge crew, complete with a dizzying camera shot, latlely?
What they need to do is a conference room scene but cut like that 70's show.
Off the top of my head, he had at one point a really strict hardass CO who told him when dealing with subordinates "they're your crew, not your friends" (Minefield) and he spend some time aboard a Vulcan ship (Breaking the Ice).
Oh and he built model starships with his dad (Broken Bow).
I'm not posting in the ENT Forum. I don't believe in shitting on other people's parades. But I'm glad he at least knew how to take a hint.
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