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Worldbuilding in Season 1

I don't approve of usiing the names of a lot wellkown stars in space opera science fiction stories for several reasons.

1) many of them are of types which are not very likely to have habitable planets. Thus if there are planets orbiting those stars which appear to be habitabitable, the theory would be that an advanced civilization terraformed those planets to make them habitable.

2) There are only a few dozen star names which are very familiar to Earth people and will be recognized by the audience. there are believed to be about 100,000,000,000 to 400,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way Galaxy.

Suppose that a story is set in a galaxy wide empire or ciivlization, where all the stars in the galaxy have been explored and all the habitable planets have been colonized. In that case there will be a billion unfamiliar stars for each star with a familiar name. So the odd would be a bilion to one against a particular star mentioned having afamilair star name. The odds against a bunch of the stars mentioned in a story set in a galaxy-widet emprie or civilization having familiar names would be astronomical.

3) The locations of the stars with Bayer desigations or well known proper names.

A galaxy wide empire or civilization would rule at least the entire galactic disc of the Milky Way Galaxy, which is approximatley about a thousand light years thick and abuut a hundred thousand light years in diameter.

Where are the stars with famous names or with Bayer designations?

Here is a link to a list of the 92 stars which appear the brightest as seen from Earth. Most familair star snames will be on that list.

There are 2 star system within 10 light years (LY) of Earth, 2 at 10-20 LY, 2 at 20 to 30 LY, etc.

There are 31 systems on the list within 100 LY The volume of space from 100 to 200 LY from Earth would have 7 times the volume as the space within 100 LY, yet there re only 17 stars in that volume. The volume between 200 and 400 LY should have 7 times as much volume as that between 100 and 200 LY, but it has only 15 stars on the list.

The volume of space within 1,000 light years has 83 stars on the list. The volume of space 1,000 to 2,615 LY from Earth has 6 stars on the list.

And the other 6,000 or so stars bright enough to be seen with the unaided eye from Earth should have a similar distrubtion in Space.

In our region the distribution of stars is about 0.004 stars per cubic light year. A sphere with a radius of 100 light years would have a volume of 4,188,790.2 cubic light years, and thus about 16,755.16 stars, and only 31 of them would be well known stars on the list, a ratio of 0.018501. The space between 100 and 200 light years would be 7 times as large and so shouldl have about 117,286.12 stars, but only 17 of them ae stars on the list, a ratio of 0.0001449. The space between 200 and 400 light years should have 7 times the volume and so have about 821,002.84 stars, but only 15 are on the list,a rato of 0.0000182.

A sphere with a radius of 1,000 light years has a volume of 4,188,790,200 cubicl ight years and so should contain about 16,755,160.8 stars but only 86 of them are onlthe list, a a ratio of 0.000005132.

So if a volume of explored space is large enough to contain most of the stars with well known names, and thus a writer can name one at random with confidence that it will be within that volume of explorded space, that volume of explored space will be large enough to contain many thousands or evven millions of times as many stars as the ones with famous names, which thus should be only a tiny minority of the stars mentioned in the story.

4) Stars with famous names and designations (and many thousands and miliions of other lesser known stars), have distances which are known with greater or lesser accuracy. Many astronomy books, even popular astronomy books, have a table listing data about a few of the stars which are brightest as seen from Earth (an thus have fmous star names), and alsoa table listing data about a much of the stars which are closest to Earth. That data often includes their astronmical coordinates (their direcitions as seen ffrom Earth) and their distances from Earth.

So a lot of people interested in astronomy may remember something about the distances of the famous stars from Earth.

When I first say scenes from "The Cage" in "The Menagerie Part 1" I noticed this dialog:

SPOCK: We aren't going to go, to be certain?
PIKE: Not without any indication of survivors, no. Continue to the Vega Colony and take care of our own sick and injured first. You have the helm. Maintain present course.

and:

BOYCE: Sometimes a man will tell his bartender things he'll never tell his doctor. What's been on your mind, Chris, the fight on Rigel seven?
PIKE: Shouldn't it be? My own yeoman and two others dead, seven injured.

According to science fiction conventions, Rigel VII should be a planet of the star Rigel (Beta Orionis) and the Vega colony shoudl be on a planet orbiting the star Vega (Alpha Lyrae). And to me it seemed very odd to chose to take the seven injured crewmen from Rigel VII to the Vega colony. Since Rigel was known in the 1960s to be about 500 to 1,000 light years from Earth And Vega is about 25 light years from Earth. It would be just as easy to go to Earth, which presumably has he best hospitals, as to go to Vega.

Actually, as eeen from Earth, the angle between the directions to Rigel and Vega is more than 90 degrees, and Vega is a few light years farther from Rigel than Earth is.

Some years later I thought of an analogy on the surface of Earth. Suppose that a civiilization is expanding from San Francisco, the analog to Earth, and has colonized many places in the bay area, included Benecia and Tiberon (which a couple of star trek planets are named after).

Suppose an airplane from San Francisco is exploring around Tijuana (330 miles from San Francisco) or Cabo San Lucas (860 miles from San Francisco), more or less equivalent to Rigel.. The commander decides to take 7 injured crew members to Benecia (23 miles from San Francisco), the analog of the Vega Colony, for treatment instead of to San Francisco, the equivalent of Earth. If the medical facilities of a colony world will be good enough why not take them to clonies at the sites of San Diego, Los Angleles, Monterey, or San Jose instead of going beyond San francisco to Benecia?

If a writer who doesn't know the distances to stars with famous names choses to mention them randomly, he runs the risk that anyone who knows a little about astronomy will notice that a star described as being close to Earth and one of the first to be explored by Earth is actually ten times as far away from Earth as the allegely "distant" star which is just being explored for the first time.

And there are other problems with using famous stars, but these should do.
 
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I would add there is a subtext in TOS that suggests the Federation might be only a few decades old, maybe no more than about fifty years. This contradicts what TNG would later claim that the UFP was formed in the mid 22nd century, or a century before the events of TOS.

Agreed. First season Star Trek very much feels as if the Federation is new and many discoveries are still being made. Perhaps the space-faring species had all explored nearby solar systems and set up colonies, which, now that the Federation exists, they are decolonizing - much as had been happening under the new United Nations. TOS reflects its era in many ways, and this is another, perhaps more subtle way, it was doing it. TOS is also reflecting much of the science fiction it's drawn from, which often had Earth setting up colonies in other solar systems. There's even a hint that the Federation is relatively new in"Whom Gods Destroy", when Kirk tells Garth that the Federation had made he and Spock 'brothers'.

This also makes sense in terms of storytelling: TOS was meant to have the Enterprise out on the frontier, where communications with Starfleet could take days or weeks, even with subspace radio, meaning Kirk represented the Federation himself and had to make decision accordingly. This is much like 19th century ship Captains of British and other vessels, far from home and cut off from any communication with home, who had to make decisions the same way. This suggests that the Federation wasn't that old and could be a small organization on an interstellar scale.

In the Cage, it is mentioned that the Time/Space Barrier has been recently broken, and a lot of the early episodes are finding lost ships and colonies that are out farther than anyone has been able to go before, and checking in on them for the first time. In a lot of ways, ENT and TOS aren't that far apart, and I've always felt that in some ways, ENT could have functioned as a nuBSG complete reboot of the slate, especially if Archer, T'Pol and Trip were a rebooted Kirk, genderbent Spock, and youner McCoy. I would agree that a young Federation / young Warp Drive is very implied in early TOS and the frontier setting.
 
I think BSG original was a serious attempt at Science Fiction.

There's a difference between an attempt and a success. Yes, BSG's creators wanted it to be serious (though it was more a faux-Biblical epic dressed up with space opera trappings than science fiction per se), but they were aspiring to something beyond their talent level, and the result, while entertaining in some ways, was cheesy and schlocky and generally quite dumb. Today's BSG fans have invented this false history that it was some massive success in its day on a par with Star Trek, but I was there at the time, and the reality is that it started out with strong ratings and buzz, but flopped hard and fast because it really wasn't that good, and would've been largely forgotten afterward if they hadn't repackaged a lot of its episodes as TV movies and run them frequently in syndication, along with a bunch of the other one-season or half-season flops that littered the SFTV landscape, like The Amazing Spider-Man and the Planet of the Apes series.


I also think of Land of the Giants as Science Fiction.

LotG, like all of Irwin Allen's shows, was made for children, and was for the most part a simple adventure show rather than a sophisticated science fiction drama using the speculative genre as an opportunity to reflect on our world, to explore challenging intellectual or philosophical questions, or to make allegorical statements about society. It occasionally edged into social commentary, perhaps more so than Allen's other shows, but it was still a cartoonish fantasy that readers of SF literature would have found simplistic and silly.

Star Trek was unique among non-anthology SFTV in being genre-literate, drawing on ideas from science fiction literature rather than just being cheesy, pulpy, comic-booky space opera aimed at children. As I said in the "Introducing Fact Trek" thread just now, that's why it was so exciting to prose SF fans when it premiered, and why it was so enduring when all the dumb, schlocky sci-fi shows around it failed.


Maybe Planet of the Apes.

The movies are pretty potent social allegories, albeit scientifically absurd. But the TV series was a generic, formulaic Fugitive knockoff, one of a minor trend of mid-'70s shows that attempted without success to get a "wandering the post-apocalyptic landscape" series off the ground (the others including Roddenberry's pilots Genesis II and Planet Earth, the non-Roddenberry third attempt Strange New World, Filmation's Ark II on Saturday mornings, and the TV adaptation of Logan's Run). It's watchable because of Roddy McDowall and guest actors like Mark Lenard and Roscoe Lee Browne, but it's not all that good.


I'm not sure that I'd categorise Star Wars as Pure Fantasy but I realise you're more an expert in this area than I am.

George Lucas's own term for Star Wars is space fantasy. It's basically a sword-and-planet space opera inspired by Flash Gordon, a story that has the trappings of outer space and futuristic tech but is structurally and conceptually a sword-and-sorcery fairy tale. That's the whole reason for the fairy-tale opening line, "A long time ago" etc. Lucas has always told us up front that it's a fantasy story for children, yet for some reason, many viewers ignore that part.
 
According to science fiction conventions, Rigel VII should be a planet of the star Rigel (Beta Orionis) and the Vega colony shoudl be on a planet orbiting the star Vega (Alpha Lyrae). And to me it seemed very odd to chose to take the seven injured crewmen from Rigel VII to the Vega colony. Since Rigel was known in the 1960s to be about 500 to 1,000 light years from Earth And Vega is about 25 light years from Earth. It would be just as easy to go to Earth, which presumably has he best hospitals, as to go to Vega.
I suppose that this is only true if we assume that those planets do orbit their namesake stars, though. The Vega Colony could easily be a non-Vegan planet colonized by Vegans, and Rigel VII could be named for being the seventh planet visited or settled by Rigelians, or some other conceit.

I agree with your overall point, though. The distances shouldn't get so messy, and visiting stars or planets undiscovered by astronomers c. 1960 would help that. Wouldn't most worlds go by a completely different name than their Earth common names or Bayer designations, if they have intelligent life?
 
Wouldn't most worlds go by a completely different name than their Earth common names or Bayer designations, if they have intelligent life?

Of course, but human characters speaking English would probably use the human names for them, like how Americans refer to Zhonghua as China, Bharat as India, Deutschland as Germany, etc. And if you're using a real star system in a story, you want your audience to know which one it is.
 
For me S1 is my favourite TOS season (if not favourite ST season, full stop).
Spock is clearly a mysterious alien (McCoy is CMO yet doesn't seem to know his physiology or psychology etc) and the "Vulcan(ian) mission" sounds more than just a routine visit to a well-known, close-by, ally. I think that the" Vulcan conquered" thing is linked to S3's Axanar, and in fact was Terran forces coming to Vulcan's aid vs an invading Axanar . For me this only happened a few years before S1, and cemented Terran/Vulcan relations and made Kirk and Spock "brothers". And also gave McCoy some bragging rights since us simpler Humans pulled the super logical Vulcan's backside out of the fire!
Just my thoughts, anyway.
And, just to look at world-building in another way, S1 also gave us more "alien-looking" (and acting) aliens.
Gorn, Horta, Salt-Vampire, Rigal's Orc/Troll thing and G7's Stone-age-Giants.
Oh, and the revealed Organians!
I haven't counted, but arguably the most non-bumpy headed aliens in any ST season?
 
Spock is clearly a mysterious alien (McCoy is CMO yet doesn't seem to know his physiology or psychology etc) and the "Vulcan(ian) mission" sounds more than just a routine visit to a well-known, close-by, ally. I think that the" Vulcan conquered" thing is linked to S3's Axanar, and in fact was Terran forces coming to Vulcan's aid vs an invading Axanar . For me this only happened a few years before S1, and cemented Terran/Vulcan relations and made Kirk and Spock "brothers". And also gave McCoy some bragging rights since us simpler Humans pulled the super logical Vulcan's backside out of the fire!
Just my thoughts, anyway.
I kinda like these thoughts, too. The vibe I'm getting is that the war with the Klingons :klingon: started like WW2 where the Japanese (Klingons) invaded and took the Philippines (Vulcan) and the Battle of Midway (Axanar) turned the tide of war. A few years later, MacArthur returns to recapture the Philippines (the Vulcan Expedition). The U.S. (Federation) is on the verge of wiping out Japan (Klingon) but they negotiate peace instead and stop the war (the Axanar Peace Mission).

The battle at Axanar must have changed the tide of war with the Klingons. They probably had the Klingons on their knees, ready to deal a killing blow and wipe out the Klingon threat forever. Garth feels that the Peace Mission was a mistake. Peace through diplomacy is the Federation dream (though war may be necessary to get your opponent there...) :vulcan:
KIRK: I agree there was a time when war was necessary, and you were our greatest warrior. I studied your victory at Axanar when I was a cadet. In fact it's still required reading at the Academy.
GARTH: As well it should be.
KIRK: Very well. But my first visit to Axanar was as a new fledged cadet on a peace mission.
GARTH: Peace mission! Politicians and weaklings!
KIRK: They were humanitarians and statesmen, and they had a dream. A dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mister Spock and me brothers.
KIRK: Timothy, I haven't seen you since the Vulcanian expedition. (no reply) Well, I see our graduating class from the Academy is well represented. Corrigan. Teller. How you doing, Mike?
MIKE: (An older man in a gold shirt) I'll get by, Jim.
TIMOTHY: (Dark hair, red shirt) I understand you're laying over for repairs. Big job?
KIRK: Couple of days.
TIMOTHY: You moving out then?
KIRK: In a hurry to see me go?
TIMOTHY: Oh, I just wondered how long it'd take to get a new records officer.
KIRK: You can talk plainer than that.
TIMOTHY: I can, but I think the point's been made. Ben was a friend of ours.
STONE: Let us begin with your relationship with Commander Finney. You knew him for a long time, didn't you?
KIRK: Yes. He was an instructor at the Academy when I was a midshipman, but that didn't stand in the way of our beginning a close friendship. His daughter Jamie, who was here last night, was named after me.
STONE: It's common knowledge that something happened to your friendship.
KIRK: It's no secret. We were assigned to the same ship some years later. I relieved him on watch once and found a circuit open to the atomic matter piles that should've been closed. Another five minutes, it could have blown up the ship.
COMPUTER: Ship nomenclature. Specify.
KIRK: United Starship Republic, number 1371.
STONE: Continue.
KIRK: I closed the switch and logged the incident. He drew a reprimand and was sent to the bottom of the promotion list.
STONE: And he blamed you for that?
KIRK: Yes. He had been at the Academy for an unusually long time as an instructor. As a result, he was late in being assigned to a starship. The delay, he felt, looked bad on his record. My action, he believed, made things worse.
The war and battle at Axanar occurred just before and during cadet Kirk's early time at Starfleet Academy. As a wartime cadet, Kirk (and many of his graduating class) could have been assigned to Starships and sent on the Vulcanian Expedition (where Kirk and Spock meet), and later, on the peace mission at Axanar. I would put these events about 13.5 years before Season 1. Some years along the way, Ensign Kirk serves with and finks on poor Ben Finney while on the Republic.
 
There's a difference between an attempt and a success. Yes, BSG's creators wanted it to be serious (though it was more a faux-Biblical epic dressed up with space opera trappings than science fiction per se), but they were aspiring to something beyond their talent level, and the result, while entertaining in some ways, was cheesy and schlocky and generally quite dumb. Today's BSG fans have invented this false history that it was some massive success in its day on a par with Star Trek, but I was there at the time, and the reality is that it started out with strong ratings and buzz, but flopped hard and fast because it really wasn't that good, and would've been largely forgotten afterward if they hadn't repackaged a lot of its episodes as TV movies and run them frequently in syndication, along with a bunch of the other one-season or half-season flops that littered the SFTV landscape, like The Amazing Spider-Man and the Planet of the Apes series.




LotG, like all of Irwin Allen's shows, was made for children, and was for the most part a simple adventure show rather than a sophisticated science fiction drama using the speculative genre as an opportunity to reflect on our world, to explore challenging intellectual or philosophical questions, or to make allegorical statements about society. It occasionally edged into social commentary, perhaps more so than Allen's other shows, but it was still a cartoonish fantasy that readers of SF literature would have found simplistic and silly.

Star Trek was unique among non-anthology SFTV in being genre-literate, drawing on ideas from science fiction literature rather than just being cheesy, pulpy, comic-booky space opera aimed at children. As I said in the "Introducing Fact Trek" thread just now, that's why it was so exciting to prose SF fans when it premiered, and why it was so enduring when all the dumb, schlocky sci-fi shows around it failed.




The movies are pretty potent social allegories, albeit scientifically absurd. But the TV series was a generic, formulaic Fugitive knockoff, one of a minor trend of mid-'70s shows that attempted without success to get a "wandering the post-apocalyptic landscape" series off the ground (the others including Roddenberry's pilots Genesis II and Planet Earth, the non-Roddenberry third attempt Strange New World, Filmation's Ark II on Saturday mornings, and the TV adaptation of Logan's Run). It's watchable because of Roddy McDowall and guest actors like Mark Lenard and Roscoe Lee Browne, but it's not all that good.




George Lucas's own term for Star Wars is space fantasy. It's basically a sword-and-planet space opera inspired by Flash Gordon, a story that has the trappings of outer space and futuristic tech but is structurally and conceptually a sword-and-sorcery fairy tale. That's the whole reason for the fairy-tale opening line, "A long time ago" etc. Lucas has always told us up front that it's a fantasy story for children, yet for some reason, many viewers ignore that part.
Well I think for me Star Wars turned into Science Fiction when they explained the force with midichlorians so it turned from magic to something explainable but not provable like telepathy or Charlie X's powers.
Star Wars, Lost in Space, BSG have enough space ships to be regarded as Science Fiction to me.
To me fantasy involves elves, swords, kings, dragons etc.
I'd also categorise Time Tunnel as Science Fiction but not say "It's About Time" even though they had the same premise..
Is say Firefly OR Dark Matter Science Fiction ?
Is there some official definition some where?
 
Well I think for me Star Wars turned into Science Fiction when they explained the force with midichlorians so it turned from magic to something explainable but not provable like telepathy or Charlie X's powers.

Not really. Midi-chlorians are just the things that mediate between the Force and living beings, rather than creating the Force. It was a very clever analogy with mitochondria, the symbiotic organelles that reside inside every living cell and provide our energy. And it embodied the Asian way of thinking where there is no Cartesian dualism, no belief in a dichotomy between the material world and the spiritual world, so there is no contradiction between something having a scientific explanation and a spiritual one.

There is a subgenre of fantasy, sometimes called logical fantasy, where the magic follows consistent rules similar to laws of physics, or obeys real physical laws like conservation of energy. It doesn't stop being fantasy just because it has realistic or scientific elements alongside its fantasy elements.


Star Wars, Lost in Space, BSG have enough space ships to be regarded as Science Fiction to me.

Spaceships don't make something science fiction, just space opera (in the broad sense of the term). There's plenty of pure fantasy set in space, and there's plenty of hard science fiction set on Earth in the present day or near future. Science fiction is a genre driven by asking "What if?" questions that extrapolate from known science and technology into possible future science and technology and examine the ramifications of those advances. Star Wars may be set in spaceships and alien planets, but the stories aren't about exploring the ramifications of progress or innovation; the sci-fi elements are merely the superficial trappings of a story that could just as easily be reskinned to take place in a medieval kingdom with swords and horses and ogres and comical courtiers and squires.

An example of a pure science fiction story that doesn't involve any spaceships is The Truman Show. It took an existing societal trend (reality TV), extrapolated it forward to a logical extreme, and derived its story from the ramifications and impact that advancement had on society and human nature. That's what science fiction is. Not spaceships and ray guns. That's technology, not science. Science means asking questions and hypothesizing about the answers.

An online acquaintance of mine who's a media critic likes to make an analogy of syntax vs. semantics. Put simply, syntax is the structure of a sentence, while semantics is the vocabulary it uses. A lot of what passes for science fiction in the mass media only has the semantics of sci-fi, the surface trappings and vocabulary, superimposed on the syntax of a story of a different genre. For instance, Outland has the syntax of a Western -- specifically High Noon -- dressed up with the semantics of science fiction. Alien or Event Horizon has the syntax of a haunted house movie. Star Wars has the syntax of The Hidden Fortress, The Dambusters, and Joseph Campbell's hero's journey dressed up with the semantics of space opera.


To me fantasy involves elves, swords, kings, dragons etc.

That's a subset of fantasy generally known as high fantasy, or medieval fantasy. There are plenty of other kinds. Urban fantasy, set in the present day, is quite popular; examples include the Dresden Files novels, The Magicians, Diane Duane's Young Wizards series, etc. And there's also space fantasy, which is George Lucas's own term for Star Wars's genre -- set in a high-tech space environment yet still being about fantastic ideas, like a spiritual Force uniting all life and the space wizards/swordmasters who wield it to do magic.


I'd also categorise Time Tunnel as Science Fiction but not say "It's About Time" even though they had the same premise..
Is say Firefly OR Dark Matter Science Fiction ?
Is there some official definition some where?

This is not about the definition of science fiction vs. fantasy. It's about the quality. I wasn't saying Star Trek was the only science fiction show in those decades, I was saying it was much better science fiction than the others, more literate in SF concepts. It had more of the substance, the syntax, of science fiction as opposed to the mere surface trappings. And it was just more intelligent, taken more seriously than most of its contemporaries, because there was a pervasive prejudice at the time that sci-fi was silly kids' stuff, and Star Trek was one of the few shows that defied that prejudice, or that successfully avoided being dumbed down by network meddling. That's why it thrived when its more silly, superficial contemporaries failed.
 
I kinda like these thoughts, too. The vibe I'm getting is that the war with the Klingons :klingon: started like WW2 where the Japanese (Klingons) invaded and took the Philippines (Vulcan) and the Battle of Midway (Axanar) turned the tide of war. A few years later, MacArthur returns to recapture the Philippines (the Vulcan Expedition). The U.S. (Federation) is on the verge of wiping out Japan (Klingon) but they negotiate peace instead and stop the war (the Axanar Peace Mission).

The battle at Axanar must have changed the tide of war with the Klingons. They probably had the Klingons on their knees, ready to deal a killing blow and wipe out the Klingon threat forever. Garth feels that the Peace Mission was a mistake. Peace through diplomacy is the Federation dream (though war may be necessary to get your opponent there...) :vulcan:



The war and battle at Axanar occurred just before and during cadet Kirk's early time at Starfleet Academy. As a wartime cadet, Kirk (and many of his graduating class) could have been assigned to Starships and sent on the Vulcanian Expedition (where Kirk and Spock meet), and later, on the peace mission at Axanar. I would put these events about 13.5 years before Season 1. Some years along the way, Ensign Kirk serves with and finks on poor Ben Finney while on the Republic.

You are omitting an important quotation from "Whom Gods Destroy":

IRK: Very well. But my first visit to Axanar was as a new fledged cadet on a peace mission.

So Kirk was not at the Battle of Axanar which was the earlier turning point of the war. If Kirk ws still cadet on the Axanar peace mission, that left only 3 or 4 years in the earlier period when Kirk could have been a cadet on the Vulcanian expeditin to liberate Vulcan.

Here is a theory:

Possibly KIrk was graduated from the Academy and commissioned in a hurry with other cades because of the war, and was present in the Vulcanian expedition to liberte Vulcan, where Ensign Kirkwould have Been promoted to Lieutenant Kirk. After a truce, was made, Lt. Kirk and the ohter members of his class were decommissioned and sent back to Star Fleet Academy. (This happened in real life to some West Point cadets when World War One ended sooner than expected).

While Kirk was still a cadet a resumption of the war was threatened, and Cadet Kirk was sent on the Axanar Peace Mission which succeeded in negotiating a peace treaty. No doubt Kirk was selected as one of the quota of cadets allowed by the Axanarians because he had already beeen a lieutenant and was as capable as most lieutenants.

Here is another theory:

It was called the Axanar Peace MIssion because the enemy was Axanar, not the Klingons. Kirk was in the Vulcanian expedition which liberated Vulcan from the Axanarians. Later while the main battle fleets fought far away, lowly Captain Garth made a surprise attack on the undefended Axanar homeplanet with smalle force and forced an armistice.

With the fighting ended Lt. Kirk was decommissioned and sent back to the Academy to finish his education. While still a cadet for the second time he studied Garth's victory at Axanar (though I always thought that Garth's victory at Axanar happened before Kirk ever entered Starfleet Academy). and later cadet Kirk went on the Axanar peace mission, which granted Axanar much more lienient terms than the armistice had, and was led by leaders who negociated the foundation of the UFB, or its refoundation after a split, thus making KIrk and Spock "brothers".

Another Theory:

The Vulcanian expedition was to an unknown destination aboard the USS Vulcanian, a member of the Species class of starships or spaceships, a class that includes Human (or Earthling), Andorian, Tellerite, etc..
 
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I much prefer the early first season of TOS. The drama is more naturalistic, as is everything around them. They were people doing their jobs, not "heroes". There were cups, paperwork, and eating. They weren't uptight and spoke like people.

I also like the rawness of not having every detail pinned down. That it could take place 200 years from 1966.. or more.

But then again, I'm not a continuity guy where every little worldbuilding detail has to fit. As a writer, I leave myself open to the possibilities of something better... much like the writers of TOS.
 
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One aspect of world building to be considered in a story or series involving FTL interstellar travel is how long Earth (or another home planet of the characters) has been exploring space with FTL ships.

At one extreme the entire galaxy has already explored and colonized by humans from Earth and/or any other intelligent beings in the Milky Way Galaxy. So everyone should know how many human inhabitable planets are in the galaxy and where they are, and everyone should know how many species of intelligent beings live in the galaxy. If someone wants to visit some sort of natural wonder they can look up the list of the 700 natural wonders of the Galaxy, and if they are interested in cultural monuments they can ceck the list of the Seven Million Artificial Wonders of the Galaxy.

Since there is no more exploring to do in such a galaxy, presumably stories would be space operas dealing with political intrigue or civil war in the one Galactic Empire or intrigues and wars between the several major powers in the galaxy.

And on the opposite extreme the story could be about the first FTL starship making the first instellar voyages of exploration, presumably from Earth to Alpha Centauri first, and then to other nearby stars. Or if the characters are extraterrrestrials, making the first interstellar voyages from their home planet.

So everything which they encounter should be a first, being significantly diffferent from anything ever discovered before. They are not going say that a planet they just now discovered is almost totally identical with planet number 284,248 excep tthat it is 0.0001 mor massive, because they would not yet have discovered 284,248 planets to compare it with.

And of course there is a vast range of intermediate options for a writer to consider as the setting of their story. The Milky Way Galaxy has several components, including a galactic disc which is about 100,000 light years in diameter and about 1,000 light years thick Earth is about 25,000 light years, give or take one or two thousand light years, from the central point of the Milky Way Galaxy. There are believed to be about one hundred billion to four hundred billion - 100,000,000,000 to 400,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way Galaxy. A galactic government, or even a government of a tiny fraction of the galaxy, would be incredibly complicated.

So some writers might perfer to set their story in an era when 457 stars have already be explored, while others might think that having 3,250 stars already explored would be good for their story, and others might choose a setting where 14,842 stars have already been explored, and others might think that a setting where 815,175 stars have already been explored would be best for their type of story, and others might want a setting where 5,947,281 stars have already been explored.

And despite the fast range in the number of explored stars in those hypothetical story settings, the one with the most explored stars has not yet explored even as much as one percent of one percent of all the stars in the galaxy.

And a writer or creator of a long and complicated series of short stories or novels, or a television series hoping to last long enogh to have many episodes, should shuld consider what type of stories they want to tell and what size of explored space would be best for their story.

The writer should decided how rare or common various astronomical objects, or body plans for intelligent aliens, or types of socieities, etc. are in absolute terms in their setting and relative to each other. It would be bad idea for a writer to several example of smthing A alaredy known at the star of their series and have the first example of somethng B be discovered in the series, and then later introduce evidence that somethign B should be much more common than something A in their universe.
 
I much prefer the early first season of TOS. The drama is more naturalistic, as is everything around them. They were people doing their jobs, not "heroes". There were cups, paperwork, and eating. They weren't uptight and spoke like people.


I still think Rand deserves a commendation for using a phaser to warm up some coffee.
 
Continuing from my post number 53, The Making of Star Trek, 1968, pp. 90-95 has comments by Harvey P. Lynn in 1964 on a draft script for "Teh cage". Lynn didn't think that it was a good idea from a shuttle to be coming from a planet of Angares, since Antares is a red giant star unlikely to have habitable planets.

Lynn objected to a mention of "edge of the Galaxy" considering that was a vast distance from Earth. He said there were three systems fairly capable of having habitable planets close together, Eta Cassiopeiae, Sigma Draconis, and HR 8832 and suggested them as settings fo rthe story.

Later Lynn suggested replacing Epsilon VII and Orion in the script with Sigma Draconis and HR 8832.

Later Lynn objected to "...at the other end of this galaxy..." And suggested that Earth be described as meely "far away in this galaxy".

Later Lynn objected to Rigel 113 because Rigel is very far from Earth and suggested using Vega 113 instead. And he suggested replacing Orion traders with Centurian traders for the same reason.

And in a story where exploring starships are that close to Earth, only a comparatively few stars wil have been explored yet, and it would b every common for a strship to encounter the first thing of its type, which cwould be good for stories. But that also means they would have discovered only a few habitable planets that could be colonized by Earth people, and would have discoverd only a few species of intelligent beings, limiting story possbilities.

Sigma Draconis is about 18.8 light years from Earth, Eta Cassiopeiae is about 19.3 light years from Earth, HR 8832, also known as HD 219134, is about 21.3 light years from Earth, and Vega (Alpha Lyrae) is about 25 light years from Earth.

This site claims there are about 1,300 star systems within 50 light years of Earth, which means there should be about 162.5 star sytems within about 25 light years of Earth.

http://www.icc.dur.ac.uk/~tt/Lectures/Galaxies/LocalGroup/Back/50lys.html

So if Star Trek happens as close to Earth as Lynn suggested, there would be very few story possbilities within those 160 star systems, unless habitable planets and intelligent aliens are much more common than scientiists estimate.

But if Star Trek happens as far out as Roddenberry suggested, a lot of stars would have explored by then. Since the galactic disc has a diameter of about 100,000 lightyears and a thickness of about 1,000 light years, and Earth is about 25,000 light years from the central point, the edge of the galaxy is between about 500 and 75,000 light years from Earth, and "the other end of the galaxy" should be between about 25,000 and 75,000 light years from Earth.

Roddenberry mentioned Rigel in his script, and Rigel or Beta Orionis is about 863 light years from Earth, but back in the sixties its distance was estimated at about 500 to 1,000 light years. A cylinder with a thickness of 1,000 light years and a radius of 500 to 1,0000 light years would have a volume of 785,398,165.40 to 3,141,592,653.59 cubic light years. With an average of 0.004 stars per cubic light year, that would make about 3,141,592.654 to 12,566,370.61 stars out to the distance of Rigel.

Assuming a starship explores an average of 1 star system per month. It would explore 60 stars during an five year mission. if a starship explores an average of 1 star system per week, it would explore about 260 star systems in a five year misson. If a starship explores an average of 1 star sysem per day, it would explore about 1,826 star systems in a five year mission.

So what would the odds be that something entirely new and never found before woud be discovered by a starshp in the 60,or 260, or 1,826, star systems it explores in a five year mission if such a thing has never been found before in over a million explored star systems? My guess is that the odds that the odds of finding an entirely new type of astronomical body, or a totally alien biochemestry, or totally new type of alien society, would be pretty small if they were so rare that none had been discovered before in over a million star system..

So if the frontier of exploration is as far out as Roddenberry indicated, there should be lots of known human habitable worlds suitable for colonization and many known species of intelligent aliens, making for many story possibilities. But it would be very improbble for any one starship to discover something that there weren't earllier known examles of, or get into a situation where they culdn't just rememeber how earlier starships solved the problem..

So I think that possibly the best distance for the frontier of exploration in a show about exploring the stars, one which gives he most story possiiblities in a series desired ot last for over a hundred episodes, might be somewhere between Lynn's and Roddenberry's ideas.

Of course the best distance for the frontier of exploration in such a series would also depend on what fraction of stars has human habitable planets, intelligent aliens, or other interesting features in the fictional universe of the series. To be continued later.
 
continung from my posts numbers 53 & 56:

Frank Drake (1930-2022) was an astrophysicist and astrobiologist famous for creating the Drake equation, an attempt to calcaulate the frequency and total number of stars with planets with advanced civilizaitns in the Milky Way Galaxy.

My post number 24 in the thread "Frank Dake Has Died" discussed the Drake equation and another calculation important to Star Trek.

Since the vast majority of planets visited in various Star Trek productions seem to be totally habitable for humans without any protection except normal clothing the percantage of stars that have planets naturally habitable for humans, and the total number of such stars in our galaxy, is certainly important to Star Trek.

Stephen H. Dole, in Habitable Planets for Man, 1964, attempted to estimate that.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/commercial_books/2007/RAND_CB179-1.pdf

I note that more modern estimates of the number of potentially habitable planets in our galaxy are estimates of the planets habitable for liquid water using life in general and not lifeforms with the environmental requirments of humans in particular. So when it is estimated that there are billions of habitable worlds in the Milky Way Galaxy I have to wonder what percentable of them would be habitable for humans and lifeforms with the same requirements.

Anyway, Dole's conclusions were that habitable planets are much rarer than I would have hoped, and that only one star out of hundreds has a habitable planet, a very "Dole ful" conclusion. And yet that still adds up to an estimate of six hundred million stars with habitable palnets in our galaxy.

And considering how many habitable planets orbit stars within a few light years of Earth in Star Trek, I guess the calcaulations are far different in Star Trek. POssibly advanced civlizatins have terraformed many billinsof bl palnets to make them hav bitable for liquid water using lifeforms in genral, and for oxygen breathing lifeforms in particular. And that would explain the many habitable planets orbiting stars which could not hav enaturally habitable planets.

And similarly the number of planets which are not only habitable but inhabited by intelligent lifeforms in Star Trek, if the stars systems closest to Earth are an accurate sample, is many times greater than any scientist has ever claimed to be the correct solution to the Drake equation. And I guess that advanced alien civilziations might have created species of intelligent life on many planets.

Even though human habitable planets and intelligent alien beings are murch more common in Star Trek than seems probable in real life, sometimes there are opposite indications in episodes. Posssibly those contradictions ae caused by the creators of Star Trek not really understanding that in astronomy the numbers often get "astronomically" large.

In "Balance of Terror":

MCCOY: But I've got one. Something I seldom say to a customer, Jim. In this galaxy, there's a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets. And in all of the universe, three million million galaxies like this. And in all of that, and perhaps more, only one of each of us. Don't destroy the one named Kirk.

Three million is only 0.005 of the total Dole estimated scientifically. So maybe McCoy didn't say "in This galaxy", but used a 23rd century world for a smaller section of the galaxy, which was mistranslated as "galaxy" when the script was written. Or maybe McCoy is picky and thinks that only a small fraction of the human habitable planets count as being "Earth-Type" - or maybe for some reason the offiical definition of "Earth-type" includes only a fraction of the total number of planets which are habitable. Perhaps promoters of colony worlds are not allowed to call them "Earth-type" unless they are not only habitable but very similar to Earth.

In "Metamorphosis":

KIRK: We're on a thousand planets and spreading out. We cross fantastic distances and everything's alive, Cochrane. Life everywhere. We estimate there are millions of planets with intelligent life. We haven't begun to map them. Interesting?

I guess that there could possibly be Carl Sagan's favorite number - "billions and billions" - of planets with intelligent life in the Milky Way Galaxy in Star Trek, and certainly there are "billions and billions" of large galaxies in the universe. So Kirk's mere "millions of planets with intelligent life" shouldn't mean the entire universe, nor even the entire Milky Way Galaxy, but should to refer to a much smaller subsection of the galaxy.

In the Enterprise episode "Fight or Flight":

T'POL: I'm sure you're aware that only one out of every forty three thousand planets supports intelligent life.

So for each billion planets in the Milky Way Galaxy there should be 23,255,813 planets with intelligent life. If the average star has between 1 and 10 planets, between 0.0000232 and 0.000232 of all stars will have a planet with tntelligent life, or between 1 star in every 43,000 and 1 star in every 4,300. That is probably many times the most optimistic scientific estimate But it is very low compared to the proportion of planets and stars with intelligent life in Star Trek.

I suggest a possible l solution to this paradox in post number 24 at: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/frank-drake-has-died.312214/page-2

To be continued:
 
I much prefer the early first season of TOS. The drama is more naturalistic, as is everything around them. They were people doing their jobs, not "heroes". There were cups, paperwork, and eating. They weren't uptight and spoke like people.
Agreed, there are a lot more scenes providing a sense of the day-to-day life on board Enterprise, such as the crew hanging out in rec-rooms, exercising in the gym, getting married, etc., which seemed to get lost in the later episodes.
 
Agreed, there are a lot more scenes providing a sense of the day-to-day life on board Enterprise, such as the crew hanging out in rec-rooms, exercising in the gym, getting married, etc., which seemed to get lost in the later episodes.

Which is something that I'm glad STRANGE NEW WORLDS has brought back. Disco did it in their first season but soon that faded away like on TOS.
 
To be clear - in 1966 using familiar star names WAS world building. “Ok I’ve heard of that” was cool and likely unique. No one was doing sophisticated math calculations on stars per cubic parsec.

Hence Jupiter 2. What does Jupiter have to do with interstellar travel? (And they started with Gemini but NASA preempted them.)

Many other examples.
 
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