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SNW Chapel seems to have all of TOS Uhura traits.

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If I'm hearing you correctly, @valden , a lot of your criticism boils down to your desire to see Uhura depicted as a powerful, mature woman in honor of both Nichols's performance in TOS and because you feel that there is a dearth of powerful, mature black women in SNW. I think that a priori desire is valid, but I also think that the writers' desire to depict Uhura's growth from a young woman at the start of her career into a powerful, mature woman is also valid. I would suggest to you that your argument would be stronger if you framed it in terms of, "There is a dearth of powerful, mature black women on SNW" rather than framing it in terms of the Uhura character somehow competing for character traits with other female characters.
 
Now that Trek shows are featuring as many female characters as male, we don't need to define them as narrowly as they were in the sixties and there may be some overlap.

I enjoyed Saldana's Uhura but she was the only recurring female character in the franchise. Also, they threw everything and the kitchen sink in there but that meant this was very poor characterisation for cadets: overqualified, overconfident, more competent than existing experienced officers. They were unsophisticated children's superhero characters.

If that's the other choice, give me Gooding's Uhura any day.
 
Lisa Kudrow from FRIENDS recently said maybe it is best that poc characters should be written by poc writers and I cannot help but think maybe this should be the case in some cases because if there was a poc creator or main poc head writer in SNW. They would have picked up on some of the issue I have raised between the traits of Uhura and Chapel in SNW, especially when this is Uhura, a very iconic black female character
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Co-creator/Producer/Writer Jenny Lumet is a mixed race woman and the granddaughter of Lena Horn.
Writers Akela Cooper and Onitra Johnson are black women.
Writer Davey Perez is Mexican-American
Writer Beau DeMayo is a black man.
 
Now that Trek shows are featuring as many female characters as male, we don't need to define them as narrowly as they were in the sixties and there may be some overlap.

I enjoyed Saldana's Uhura but she was the only recurring female character in the franchise. Also, they threw everything and the kitchen sink in there but that meant this was very poor characterisation for cadets: overqualified, overconfident, more competent than existing experienced officers. They were unsophisticated children's superhero characters.

If that's the other choice, give me Gooding's Uhura any day.
Not objective necessarily the case since snw has already overdone the characters more than jj trek ever did. Uhura in the Undiscovery country could not even speak klingon but in snw she know 37 languages. This has become a meme already on google and youtube. Chapel is a nurse in snw but she seem to know more about medical issues and is a good combat person than both Dr membga or Dr McCoy ever showed in TOS.

There is solid criticism of snw on how over equipped the characters are that it contradicts their role in TOS. I believe Sam once told uhura how good she was at every thing even if she is still a cadet that shadows people so she is not meant to be good at everything that is why you shadow people in the first place.

Also dont you see your inconsistency but also you are helping me prove my point, you ae saying JJ Trek uhura was overqualified, overconfident, more competent than existing experienced officers not only is this not tire but these seem to be the same traits SNW Chapel seems to have that I am even pointing out because TOS Chapel never had that, So if you have issues with JJ trek Uhura, you should have more issue with SNW Chapel .

Now lets even debunk this with some of the events that took place in canon about JJ trek uhura.

jj trek uhura - The reason she even gets to be main enterprise room is because she could interpret romalian after it became what was meant to be a throw away plot point but wasn't. she was not just put on the bridge there. jj trek uhura is not over powered or giving skills we know she is not meant to have like snw Chapel or uhura. So if anything snw Chapel and uhura have more poor characterization due to some mary sue traits.

To put it in the super hero terms. they are over powered and that is what fan boys like to call bad boring characters in comics. This may have been done on purpose because what looks to be an ongoing issue is that the sexism of the 60s made tos look so bad that snw may have over upgraded some characters as a way to apologise for that but still snw characters have some Mary sue traits that is not in line with their future self in TOS when snw is meant to be an actual prequel unlike jj trek that was an alternate reality.

We know those classic line from Bones both in TOS and JJ Trek when Bones says I am a doctor not a ....this or that. However SNW Chapel can do what Bones never does of what Bones knows he is not meant to be doing since he is on medical team and is trained only in that profession.

Uhura in TOS and JJ trek showing combat skills make sense as she goes on missions and can speak many languages, she is an interpreter and is a negotiator , so her knowing a bit of self defence combat skills is realistic. we see this combat skills in the mirrorverse, some star trek tos movie and in JJ trek. However in SNW Chapel can turn a hypospray into a better like gun weapon for fighting combat?:rolleyes: talk of overqualified and more competent than existing experienced officers to Bones or Dr Crusher from TNG or even The Doctor from Star Trek Voyager who did not seem to have much combat knowledge. lol. Worse is that Chapel can do this in her 20s in SNW but not her 30s like TOS? So where did the traits go?

JJ trek Uhura is a more realistic female character and a better character in writing as she is working within her range of profession compared to SNW Uhura and Chapel. I dont even think this should be an argument if we have seen both movies and tv shows, although this strengthens my point SNW chapel has been given many of uhura traits since both of them are the only legacy female characters that have already been established well enough and now seem to have switched some traits as I have proven here with actual examples of uhura been more of the combat girl withing her line of work profession to Chapel who never was or should ever be because she never showed that in TOS like Uhura did and her nursing profession should not really allow it either. The overqualified, overconfident, more competent than existing experienced officers is more of a thing with SNW Chapel and even Uhura as she is more overqualified and competent than her tos self in star trek 6.
 
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Perhaps on your own blog or FB space?

You were asked nicely to give the rants a rest, please. This is trolling.
Please I do hang around on reddit, twiiter, cbr forums and more fan discussion site and even here and one thing i have seen many fans say is that most of the characters could easily have been new characters. Of all the legacy characters, it is safe to say that Chapel is the one who has been re-imagined the most which has drawn some criticism from fans as well as praise. However the canon breaking may be swinging things since there are now many videos on youtube where these characters are been too re-imagined. here is one. it is not a troll video. it is solid and real criticism since there are some unnecessary inconsistency.

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the fan comments in this video says says it all.

I also dont run ex astris scientia website or blig and that is one of the most respected and intellectual star trek blog and they also raised this issue that characters like Chapel from SNW could have been a new character as she has nothing in common with her tos self. the blog has also given solid criticsm that the show does too much rehashing, something I said with episode 9 and 10 and how they took too much from Aliens and had some copycat issue with balance of terror as star trek into dakrness did with wrath of khan. here is a solid critical review.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/snw1g.htm

How can Uhura speak 37 languages in SNW but not know Klingon in star trek 6.

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It does not really add up when you think that Klingon is the most famous language in trek history and even in real life pop culture fiction, if uhura in SNW could speak 37 languages it is too far fetched and unrealistic that one of them was not Klingon. That is poor writing from SNW own part and a good solid criticism not trolling. I think this is even more poor writing from SNW Uhura than SNW Chapel been an action girl nurse.

If you read the comments here down on youtube, they bring up what I said already, a fan even said watching this scene in SNW is embarrassing now when you compare it to star trek 6,

I hope this is a good evidence of my point , I dont like been called a troll when I am backing up my POV with actual tos/snw scenes that show the contradiction and events that happened from the movies as well as from fan discussions and star trek scribes from ex astris, one of the few trek blogs that only writes moslty on intellectual and serious objective star trek and stays away from some of the subjective bias fan boys and fan girls narrative we see on reddit.
 
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Please I do hang around on reddit, twiiter, cbr forums and more fan discussion site and even here and one thing i have seen many fans say is that most of the characters could easily have been new characters. Of all the legacy characters, it is safe to say that Chapel is the one who has been re-imagined the most which has drawn some criticism from fans as well as praise. However the canon breaking may be swinging things since there are now many videos on youtube where these characters are been too re-imagined. here is one. it is not a troll video. it is solid and real criticism since there are some unnecessary inconsistency.

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the fan comments in this video says says it all.

I also dont run ex astris scientia website or blig and that is one of the most respected and intellectual star trek blog and they also raised this issue that characters like Chapel from SNW could have been a new character as she has nothing in common with her tos self. the blog has also given solid criticsm that the show does too much rehashing, something I said with episode 9 and 10 and how they took too much from Aliens and had some copycat issue with balance of terror as star trek into dakrness did with wrath of khan. here is a solid critical review.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/snw1g.htm

How can Uhura speak 37 languages in SNW but not know Klingon in star trek 6.

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It does not really add up when you think that Klingon is the most famous language in trek history and even in real life pop culture fiction, if uhura in SNW could speak 37 languages it is too far fetched and unrealistic that one of them was not Klingon. That is poor writing from SNW own part and a good solid criticism not trolling. I think this is even more poor writing from SNW Uhura than SNW Chapel been an action girl nurse.

If you read the comments here down on youtube, they bring up what I said already, a fan even said watching this scene in SNW is embarrassing now when you compare it to star trek 6,

I hope this is a good evidence of my point , I dont like been called a troll when I am backing up my POV with actual tos/snw scenes that show the contradiction and events that happened from the movies as well as from fan discussions and star trek scribes from ex astris, one of the few trek blogs that only writes moslty on intellectual and serious objective star trek and stays away from some of the subjective bias fan boys and fan girls narrative we see on reddit.

To be fair even Nichelle Nichols had an issue with that scene. She had said at the time that Uhura probably would have known the language. But the director wanted to keep the scene because it was light hearted...

I remember the constant online complaining about Enterprises look.:lol: I always felt it looked perfectly fine for 22nd century trek. That show adhered to canon much better than SNW and Discovery imo.

Anyhow...I dont think anyone is going to call you a troll. But most here do not seem to care about TOS conintuity anymore, or even like TOS as much anymore...lol. So they will just continue to dismiss or come up with convoluted work arounds when canon breaks are brought up.

The issue with SNW is that they decided to include so many legacy characters. Which creates instant canon breaking mechanisms. It is impossible to avoid. The prodcuers dont really care so much about Canon anyhow.
I just view SNW as an altered reality. I'm keeping TOS all the way to PICARD as seperate in my mind.

It would have GREAT though to see SNW as a complete remake of Prime Trek. Meaning zero and I mean zero callbacks/Easter eggs, winks, ties, whatever you want to call them to original Prime Trek. Except of course to the basic look of the shows and certain characters.

But we never seem to get that. We got Prime Spocks Red Matter created Kelvin universe tethered to prime and than back to a major (now) Canon breaking Prime.

SNW is a beautiful looking show and has had several good episodes. I will continue to watch and comment. :D
 
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You can make assumptions about what characters are thinking but if subsequent dialogue proves you wrong, you have roll your eyes and move on. And never try watching Twin Peaks. That will mess you up.

Is it incredibly stupid that Spock used to undertake all tasks best suited to Uhura in TOS? Yes.

Does it make no sense that a ship sent on a diplomatic mission with the Klingons had nobody on board who could speak Klingon? Yes.

Would it make sense for Uhura to be that person? Yes.

Was she that person? No.

So yes, Chapel's look in Amok time could have been, WHAT, Spock has a fiancée, except we know it wasn't, because now we know she already knew he had a fiancée, so it must have been surprise at T'Pring still being on the scene despite Spock not mentioning her after so many years.

Chapel was one of the weaker characters to the point that, despite appearing roughly as often as Chekov, she is rarely counted among the main characters of TOS. This is an opportunity to change that. Embrace it!
I will embrace it. I have. I will hug it.
 
Of course I am.

Well, apart from the bit about Chapel politely telling Spock to stfu and not treat her like an idiot. It's almost like he was a bit jealous.
I acknowledge that we are creating inferences. I think that's ok. I believe Spock will meet Roger Korby soon on SNW. We know now he has a bit of a yen for Christine. Seeing her absolute devotion to finding said Roger when he disappears it can be assumed that she falls head over heels for him. Just my assumption. This is going to happen fairly soon on SNW. Jealousy is not out of the question but to be fair it's been a few years. Spock gives her an ironical look when she says this. I guess they had a pact not to talk about T"Pring?
 
I dont like been called a troll when I am backing up my POV with actual tos/snw scenes that show the contradiction...

You are ranting and have been requested to stop, by both T'Bonz and me. Ignoring repeated requests by Moderators is trolling. (And repeating the rants is going to see you bid farewell. Please quit this behaviour or wave goodbye.)
 
Not objective necessarily the case since snw has already overdone the characters more than jj trek ever did. Uhura in the Undiscovery country could not even speak klingon but in snw she know 37 languages. This has become a meme already on google and youtube. Chapel is a nurse in snw but she seem to know more about medical issues and is a good combat person than both Dr membga or Dr McCoy ever showed in TOS.
I see no reason why Chapel could not practice a little Aikido in the rec room, which is probably a holodeck. She could get master instructors there. Aikido does not rely on brute force. She does a wrist throw with pirate number one and body slams the other one. Perfectly plausible to me, not overdone. If she was a Kung Fu master it would be overdone.

There is solid criticism of snw on how over equipped the characters are that it contradicts their role in TOS. I believe Sam once told uhura how good she was at every thing even if she is still a cadet that shadows people so she is not meant to be good at everything that is why you shadow people in the first place.

Also dont you see your inconsistency but also you are helping me prove my point, you ae saying JJ Trek uhura was overqualified, overconfident, more competent than existing experienced officers not only is this not tire but these seem to be the same traits SNW Chapel seems to have that I am even pointing out because TOS Chapel never had that, So if you have issues with JJ trek Uhura, you should have more issue with SNW Chapel .

SNW Chapel is not "just a nurse." . By the time TOS rolls around she is bona fide researcher with a PhD .This is part of her character description from the sixties. She is no doubt a nurse practitioner. What has she done in sickbay that is so above her skill level? I need concrete examples. Every complex task I see her doing is under the scrutiny of M'Benga. What: She can't put goo on T"Pring's face and stick a quartz crystal on it? I need concrete examples of how Chapel is overqualified, seeing that she is at Stanford Moorehouse Institute probably in graduate school again.

Now lets even debunk this with some of the events that took place in canon about JJ trek uhura.

jj trek uhura - The reason she even gets to be main enterprise room is because she could interpret romalian after it became what was meant to be a throw away plot point but wasn't. she was not just put on the bridge there. jj trek uhura is not over powered or giving skills we know she is not meant to have like snw Chapel or uhura. So if anything snw Chapel and uhura have more poor characterization due to some mary sue traits.
Please list these Mary Sue traits. A Mary Sue is perfect. Please list all the examples of Chapel having skills she was not meant to have seeing she is studying graduate level epigenetics.

To put it in the super hero terms. they are over powered and that is what fan boys like to call bad boring characters in comics. This may have been done on purpose because what looks to be an ongoing issue is that the sexism of the 60s made tos look so bad that snw may have over upgraded some characters as a way to apologise for that but still snw characters have some Mary sue traits that is not in line with their future self in TOS when snw is meant to be an actual prequel unlike jj trek that was an alternate reality.

We know those classic line from Bones both in TOS and JJ Trek when Bones says I am a doctor not a ....this or that. However SNW Chapel can do what Bones never does of what Bones knows he is not meant to be doing since he is on medical team and is trained only in that profession.
Chapel, once again had a PhD in TOS. That is in her character description.

Uhura in TOS and JJ trek showing combat skills make sense as she goes on missions and can speak many languages, she is an interpreter and is a negotiator , so her knowing a bit of self defence combat skills is realistic. we see this combat skills in the mirrorverse, some star trek tos movie and in JJ trek. However in SNW Chapel can turn a hypospray into a better like gun weapon for fighting combat?:rolleyes: talk of overqualified and more competent than existing experienced officers to Bones or Dr Crusher from TNG or even The Doctor from Star Trek Voyager who did not seem to have much combat knowledge. lol. Worse is that Chapel can do this in her 20s in SNW but not her 30s like TOS? So where did the traits go?

Actually Chapel did the hypospray thing in TOS. It's a trope now. What you seem to want is for SNW Chapel to be written and portrayed exactly like TOS Chapel. Of course no actress nowadays would want this role and then, of course there would BE no role. Jess Bush is the actress now. She's more athletic. The actors do have some input into their characters and Jess, naturally, wants Chapel to get out of sickbay once in awhile. You are fine as long as Chapel is diminished, dismissed, humiliated and merely McCoy's assistant. You seem to like that because you want it back. Most fans I believe would want that to change. I know I do.
JJ trek Uhura is a more realistic female character and a better character in writing as she is working within her range of profession compared to SNW Uhura and Chapel. I dont even think this should be an argument if we have seen both movies and tv shows, although this strengthens my point SNW chapel has been given many of uhura traits since both of them are the only legacy female characters that have already been established well enough and now seem to have switched some traits as I have proven here with actual examples of uhura been more of the combat girl withing her line of work profession to Chapel who never was or should ever be because she never showed that in TOS like Uhura did and her nursing profession should not really allow it either. The overqualified, overconfident, more competent than existing experienced officers is more of a thing with SNW Chapel and even Uhura as she is more overqualified and competent than her tos self in star trek 6.
 
Please I do hang around on reddit, twiiter, cbr forums and more fan discussion site and even here and one thing i have seen many fans say is that most of the characters could easily have been new characters. Of all the legacy characters, it is safe to say that Chapel is the one who has been re-imagined the most which has drawn some criticism from fans as well as praise. However the canon breaking may be swinging things since there are now many videos on youtube where these characters are been too re-imagined. here is one. it is not a troll video. it is solid and real criticism since there are some unnecessary inconsistency.

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the fan comments in this video says says it all.

I also dont run ex astris scientia website or blig and that is one of the most respected and intellectual star trek blog and they also raised this issue that characters like Chapel from SNW could have been a new character as she has nothing in common with her tos self. the blog has also given solid criticsm that the show does too much rehashing, something I said with episode 9 and 10 and how they took too much from Aliens and had some copycat issue with balance of terror as star trek into dakrness did with wrath of khan. here is a solid critical review.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/snw1g.htm

How can Uhura speak 37 languages in SNW but not know Klingon in star trek 6.

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It does not really add up when you think that Klingon is the most famous language in trek history and even in real life pop culture fiction, if uhura in SNW could speak 37 languages it is too far fetched and unrealistic that one of them was not Klingon. That is poor writing from SNW own part and a good solid criticism not trolling. I think this is even more poor writing from SNW Uhura than SNW Chapel been an action girl nurse.

If you read the comments here down on youtube, they bring up what I said already, a fan even said watching this scene in SNW is embarrassing now when you compare it to star trek 6,

I hope this is a good evidence of my point , I dont like been called a troll when I am backing up my POV with actual tos/snw scenes that show the contradiction and events that happened from the movies as well as from fan discussions and star trek scribes from ex astris, one of the few trek blogs that only writes moslty on intellectual and serious objective star trek and stays away from some of the subjective bias fan boys and fan girls narrative we see on reddit.

I would not say that you have no legitimate points but it is apparent that you rate the JJ versions of the characters FAR more highly than a lot of people. That's personal preference so at some point we can just agree to disagree.

Spock is the WORST Mary Sue on Trek so I raise a quizzical eyebrow whenever anybody throws an accusation at a female character just for being competent in their established profession.

Where we do agree is that Chapel is being portrayed as a bit of a know it all when standing next to M'Benga. This could have been avoided if they had resisted the urge to use the soundbite 'Nurse' Chapel. She was a researcher, who was qualified to take a last minute position as a nurse but that wasn't her chosen profession. If she had just been Miss Chapel spouting off about her area of expertise, it would not look so weird.

As for the hypo. It was a great call back to Tholian Web and I would much rather that than retcon her as a ninja. 100% thumbs up from me. Personal preference once again.
 
@valden You're not getting anywhere. Nobody is with you on any point you have attempted to make and all your so-called arguments are specious at best and asinine (or flagrantly inaccurate) at worst.

Give up the ghost. Because this isn't making you any friends. Go and do something positive that you enjoy. There are sections of this forum where you can celebrate the Star Trek that you do like. It's not necessary to love the whole lot of it. Most here don't I think. All have their favourites and this forum has all the different series specifically sectioned off so you can have fun in there without any outside pollution.

It's okay to just say you don't like SNW and just walk away from it. You don't have to invent reasons out of smoke to justify taking that position. In ten episodes it has become the very show that you feared it would be. if something upsets you, don't waste time ranting about it. Throw it out and move on.
 
In Valden's defence, I agree that Chapel is slightly overcooked but I don't agree that it is in any way detrimental to Uhura's characterisation and I like the changes to both characters.

Edit: Counterpoint to smart, confident TOS Uhura is scared TOS Uhura in City on the Edge of Forever and Mirror Mirror, both portrayals fitting right in with Gooding's version.

So while there are some legitimate issues for discussion, I think everyone agrees that the basic premise of the thread is not really justifiable.
 
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@valden, I think you have valid claims, in that Chapel is certainly a greater focus than Uhura in SNW so far, and her confidence stands out more than Uhura’s. You are also right that in the Kelvin films, Uhura did show a flirty side somewhat towards Kirk and was more certain of herself as a cadet in those films that SNW Uhura was, although the Kelvin films are a different universe and thus a different portrayal of the character is okay. Chapel in the Kelvin universe is the same deal, although she’s been nothing but a bootycall to Kirk so far.

However, I don’t think that there is a particular agenda to take from TOS Uhura and give to SNW Chapel. I would say that its more that the characters are undergoing arcs to explain their origins and how they end up where they end up in TOS.

Uhura’s arc is to go from the cadet in SNW to the graceful officer she was in TOS and the TOS films. So, she is allowed to grow and develop skillsets over time. Not having her established skillsets at this point in time doesn’t make her a kid at all. It means she is inexperienced and with develop experience. And that experience will give her greater confidence than she has displayed in SNW. Also, we don’t know if Uhura got a shot at Spock prior to TOS. SNW will answer that, since they also have to explore how Spock and T’Pring fell apart to begin with, and Spock meeting Leila Kalomi. And finally, Uhura in SNW lost her parents and brother, while to our knowledge, Uhura in the Kelvinverse did not; the implication being that Uhura gained strength from her family, and Uhura in SNW will have to find a way to gain her strength.

Chapel’s arc is going from this in-your-face personality in SNW to a shadow of her former self in TOS that is then followed by fading out all together to the point she’s working at Starfleet HQ on Earth in TVH - instead of joining Kirk, Spock, Uhura et al one adventures - and never seen or mentioned again after that film. Jess Bush’s charisma is needed to display the stage of Chapel’s life where it seemed like Chapel had all the potential in the world, and that there was a time when she had a lot of spirit in her life until she seemingly lost her confidence. In addition, I would not say that Chapel is the main female character in SNW. I would say both Una and La’an are the main female characters. Although I would agree that Jess Bush has a lot of charisma and has received a lot of love and praise for her portrayal of Chapel.

Plus, on top of these character arcs, SNW is written for a 2020s audience instead of a 1960s one. So of course, Chapel is going to be written in a way that reflects female characters are written today, even if it contradicts her portrayal in TOS. Just like how Uhura is going to have episodes in SNW devoted to her that does not portray her as only answering the phone.

I would also point out that in the Kelvin films, being in a relationship with Spock takes a toll on Uhura. If Chapel in SNW undergoes the same struggles with Spock as Uhura did in the Kelvin films, then it will really be a commentary on Spock as a person, that loving him is painful. That’s the real deconstruction.

And I don’t worry about the canon violations. Its assuming something doesn’t happen to wipe the crew’s memories during SNW that Uhura and Chapel forget about T’Pring. Or Spock not having performed a mind meld on humans before as of TOS, yet performs one on La’an. And with Uhura not knowing Klingon in TUC, chalk it up to old age, Uhura not being in front of a translator for several years, or interacting with any Klingons between TFF and TUC. Still not excusable for how it was written.

But I don’t think exaggerations like “Uhura is treated like a child” are necessary to make your point, since you do have them.

@valden You're not getting anywhere. Nobody is with you on any point you have attempted to make and all your so-called arguments are specious at best and asinine (or flagrantly inaccurate) at worst.

Give up the ghost. Because this isn't making you any friends. Go and do something positive that you enjoy. There are sections of this forum where you can celebrate the Star Trek that you do like. It's not necessary to love the whole lot of it. Most here don't I think. All have their favourites and this forum has all the different series specifically sectioned off so you can have fun in there without any outside pollution.

It's okay to just say you don't like SNW and just walk away from it. You don't have to invent reasons out of smoke to justify taking that position. In ten episodes it has become the very show that you feared it would be. if something upsets you, don't waste time ranting about it. Throw it out and move on.

No need to be rude. Just because you disagree with the points made, or how they were made, doesn't mean you have to be dismissive.
 
No need to be rude. Just because you disagree with the points made, or how they were made, doesn't mean you have to be dismissive.

It's entirely reasonable to be dismissive of this entire collection of wrong claims and the incoherent lines of "reasoning" that @valden has put forth to keep this topic going. Yes, Chapel is a bigger deal right now than Uhura. So what?
 
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