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making future personal defense weapons

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I was thinking about the farmer's plasma rifle from the Broken Bow episode of Enterprise. I don't think we're in some desperate need to develop better small-arms than currently exist,as a species. But I was thinking back to how such a thing would work.

You can now purchase a gauss rifle, but its barely lethal, and is more of a proof of concept than anything else:
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the PD-90 e-shotgun looks fun to have, but it is not really a weapon. This coil gun shoots specialized metal disks slower than the cheapest air-rifle and has an affective range of less than 10 meters.

These could be seen as being at the level of a matchlock 700 years ago, but the comparison fails because those matchlocks were effective from the moment they were fielded. Either way, we're still along way from the phaser. I know there was another thread like this but I can't find it.

So how would that farmer's gun have worked?
This is my idea:
Buttstock: power supply. Early versions might have to be augmented with battery cells or super capacitors/generator backpack. The "Lock" section would house the triggering section, mount for scope/red dot sight, laser spotter, etc and include the mechanism for initial plasma generation.

Small pack of very small sillicate nodules, about .17 caliber. Where a "magazine" might be thought to be held under the "lock" or "receiver" a powerful compact magnetron, not too different from the one making your microwave oven work. what would normally be the firing chamber of a rifle would be the coil section where the magnetron engages, transforming the silica into a dense, tiny unit of plasma, akin to ball lightening. The barrel of the rifle contains guide coils to propel the plasma forward, propelling it to hypersonic velocities before leaving the barrel, imparting stabilizing spin, and preventing the projected energy from making contact with the barrel and causing damage to the weapon and shooter.

With high enough exit-velocity, the performance of the plasma ball would be akin , hopefully to the ballistics of a .17HMR round:
https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/lodge/17-hmr-ballistics/

This makes for a remarkably flat trajectory. One of the problems with very small rounds with small mass is their inability to cause hyrostatic shock, unable to open the kind of larger wound channels seen with larger ammo. The plasma round, conversely, being dense plasma at high temperature, should be able to penetrate flesh and then cause significant tissue and bone damage due to rapid phase-state change and subsequent release of energy, avoiding exit wounds, and the associated risks of over penetration and collateral damage. With large enough power imput, rapid fire in microsecond busts would likewise overcome conventional personal defense armor by burrowing through layers faster than the target's reaction time. all of this is entirely hypothetical.

So how about you? Share your evil weapon ideas :D
 
Weapons are not Good/Evil. They are inanimate objects that enhance a persons power.

The only thing Good/Evil is the wielder and the intentions of the person wielding said weapon along with actions.

No More, No Less.
it was an attempt at mild humor. Jesus christ, don't take it so literally. the fuck? can we move from the philosophical ramifications of shooty things?
 
it was an attempt at mild humor. Jesus christ, don't take it so literally. the fuck? can we move from the philosophical ramifications of shooty things?
I didn't find it funny. There are many people who attribute "Weapons = Evil" due to simplistic mind sets and propaganda.
 
I didn't find it funny. There are many people who attribute "Weapons = Evil" due to simplistic mind sets and propaganda.
I am not here to get into that argument. I have far more firearms than I I would probably have any right to anywhere else on earth and I don't really have a better reason than that I like collecting and occasionally target shooting them. but i will be the first to admit there's difference between a paintbrush and a death ray. Yes, both tools. For instance I have a very well maintained but very well used Hungarian PA-63, the Hungarian secret policeman's answer to the Makarov. There is that slim possibility it did indeed do evil things at the hands of the people that originally used it. Certainly the repressive system they enforced was evil. But, it's kind of cool to have, shoots resonably well when you can get 9x18, and in the current political panic among the right-wingers I can sell it for 3x for what I paid for it. Once I am certain that prices are at their peak, I will, which was always my intention. What the next buyer does with it, aint my problem. Hopefully nothing evil.

now back to the matter at hand Kamen Rider Blade , if you could make an energy weapon of some sort, what would it be?
 
now back to the matter at hand Kamen Rider Blade , if you could make an energy weapon of some sort, what would it be?
Before we get back to fictional Arms.

I am not here to get into that argument. I have far more firearms than I I would probably have any right to anywhere else on earth and I don't really have a better reason than that I like collecting and occasionally target shooting them. but i will be the first to admit there's difference between a paintbrush and a death ray. Yes, both tools. For instance I have a very well maintained but very well used Hungarian PA-63, the Hungarian secret policeman's answer to the Makarov. There is that slim possibility it did indeed do evil things at the hands of the people that originally used it. Certainly the repressive system they enforced was evil. But, it's kind of cool to have, shoots resonably well when you can get 9x18, and in the current political panic among the right-wingers I can sell it for 3x for what I paid for it. Once I am certain that prices are at their peak, I will, which was always my intention. What the next buyer does with it, aint my problem. Hopefully nothing evil.
IMO, all Citizens of "Good Standing" have a "Natural Right" to bear arms.

Doesn't matter if it's:
- Elastic Arms (Bow & Arrows)
- Penumatic Arms (Air Guns)
- Fire Arms (Gun Powder or other Chemical Reactants to propel a projectile)
- DirectedEnergy Arms (Lasers, Phasers, Masers, etc)

It doesn't matter what other folks think, you have a "Natural Right" to own them, no matter the quantity, quality, or type.

The right to "Bear Arms" even applies to StarShip level.

In my 26th Century Head Canon, you can even own Photon Torpedoes and have your personal StarShips with Phasers of ANY Energy Output level.
It could be ≥ StarFleet Output
It could be ≤ StarFleet Output

And yes, Photon Torpedoes with yields that are > Fusion Bomb range in output.

You can't use any StarFleet designed Phasers/Torpedo designs or any UFP allied Government based designed Directed Energy Weapons / Torpedoes; you would need to use private company/designer, original designs, or 3rd Party designs that does the same thing.

StarFleet designs are limited to StarFleet ownership only.

Private Citizenry must seek Privately designed & manufactured arms.

But there is a entire Galaxy full of Arms Salesmen from every major Species, even in the UFP for every member species.

Good luck finding 9x18mm ammo in a Western country.
That stuff is rare as heck.
 
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Why would one have a "natural right" to something that isn't natural, but constructed?
It's natural to arm yourself with the best tools for Self Defense. Doesn't matter how it's constructed, you'll find ways to make or attain it.

As there are people who have a cult-like fervor and fetishistic love of weaponry that is so profound and bizarre it defies all reason and logic.
Not really, wanting the best tools for survival is natural of many cultures.
Those who want to survive, need better tools to protect their way of life and livelihood.

You don't think the UFP would be able to exist on "Love & Peace" without force of arms?

Should StarFleet have laid down arms & let the Dominion walk all over them?

Of course not.

Same with every UFP citizen that was occupied by the Dominion. They must naturally resist and fight back against all occupiers and oppressors.
 
In my 26th Century Head Cannon, you can even own Photon Torpedoes and have your personal StarShips with Phasers of ANY Energy Output level.

This is why "head canon" - note the correct spelling - is a nonsensical and self-contradictory idea.

What you have here is a personal fantasy of a future that has no grounding or connection to anything in studio-produced Star Trek. Even in its most liberal interpretation, any "canon" would have to be derived in some way from the official sources. But you've simply manufactured a bit of wish-fulfillment that has nothing to do with Star Trek, and then use the meaningless phrase "head canon" to include it in Trek in some form.

That's arrant nonsense.
 
This is why "head canon" - note the correct spelling - is a nonsensical and self-contradictory idea.
I fixed the spelling error.

What you have here is a personal fantasy of a future that has no grounding or connection to anything in studio-produced Star Trek. Even in its most liberal interpretation, any "canon" would have to be derived in some way from the official sources. But you've simply manufactured a bit of wish-fulfillment that has nothing to do with Star Trek, and then use the meaningless phrase "head canon" to include it in Trek in some form.
Random Farmer on Earth owns a Personal Plasma Rifle that shot the Klingon in ST:ENT episode "Broken Bow".

StarFleet officer Ensign Bertram owned his own copy of the TR-116 rifle in DS9.

Personal ownership of Arms isn't contradictory to "canon" in any way.

We've seen non StarFleet people own "Arms" in many shows.

Picard as a "Retired StarFleet Admiral" had arms stashed all over his Chateau that he used on the Romulan Assassins sent to his Vineyard.

Rios as a private civilian owns a Warp Capable "Fast Transport" with phasers, Warp Drive, and other weapons equipped.

Seven of Nine ran with the "Fenris Rangers" and was armed to the teeth, she even had her own personal space fighter craft that got downed in ST:Picard Season 1.

And she took Rio's weapons to use for herself.

That's arrant nonsense.
Not really, it's derived from the show where regular folks do and have owned "Arms" as civilians.

Your ancestors were able to fend off vile beasts with rocks and sticks. You saying they’re better than you? :lol:
I'm saying they used what was available to them.

We have better tools than what they have now and we have access to them.

So time to upgrade.
 
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So are we relegating new weapons designs to IRL tech based on the physics that we know, or are we extrapolating to future Star Trek level Tech?
 
Since you derailed the thread from reply one, I don't know anymore. You got the football, run with it.
You're the Captain of this Thread, you determine the course since you talked about the Farmer's Plasma Rifle as your first example.

Plasma as a weapon isn't that unheard of, it just doesn't function quite the same as in Star Wars or Star Trek or IRL.

So are we going the "Realistic Tech" route, or "Star Trek Tech" route since both options are viable.
 
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