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Spoilers The Orville: New Horizons Season 3 Discussion

I'm not getting why the shuttle stayed in the firefight instead of breaking off and going down to the planet. Made no sense.


ETA: Another winner for me. One long rollicking adventure and continued great use of the longer timeslot.

The CGI continues to be movie-level quality.
 
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I kept expecting a massive Krill/Moclan sneak attack on Earth that would kill millions and destroy New York throughout the first half of that episode, especially when the whole Union fleet left Earth. They just keep building up how beautiful and serene Earth was and giving us all these idyllic wilderness shots and shots of future NYC. The show does a good job of making you think one thing is going to happen and then defying your expectations and going in a completely different direction.

It was a shame about Charlie making the ultimate sacrifice. Her character could be a little one-note (but understandably so) in her initial hatred of Isaac and Kaylons in general, but it was nice that she had started to grow out of that and had come to appreciate Isaac in a more nuanced manner, maybe not as a friend, but as a colleague, and still performed her duties admirably. She was also quite likeable in the times when they allowed her character to branch out beyond "Grrr, I hate Kaylons" and show her true personality. When she started talking about "thinking four-dimensionally" while setting up the self-destruct, I thought perhaps she might have known some time-travel shenanigans to escape her fate, but no dice. Isaac's eulogy and the analogy about Charlie being like the first domino to fall that will leave a lasting effect for years to come was quite nice and brought a tear to my eye again, like almost every episode of the show this season, which is quite remarkable.

Fucking Ted Danson. Fucking Union. You've got the most powerful and dangerous potentially genocidal and war-deciding device in the universe right now and you just have it sitting in a room with a couple of guards that can be easily accessed and stolen by just one rogue admiral? I mean, they're not crazy ass Starfleet admirals who go rogue all the time, but still. It should have been in some secret bunker on some otherwise uninhabited secret planetoid far from Earth with a battalion of trustworthy lifer soldiers guarding it, and not even the admiral in charge being able to have access to it alone without two other admirals (one from medical/counseling and one from internal security/intelligence), their equivalent of the Secretary of Defense, and the President also signing off. Sucks to see Ted Danson's character going out like a colossally stupid punk, though, because he was otherwise likeable up until today.

I thought for sure either Malloy or Lamarr were going to buy the farm in the aerial battle, but they had their plot shields at full power.

Is it just me or did the central detachable spheres of the Kaylon ships suddenly get a lot smaller, like going from frigate-sized to shuttlecraft-sized so one could conveniently dock in the Orville's hangar bay? I could have sworn that the big spheres were much larger than the Union ships and that the detachable central spheres were smaller but still big enough to engage capital ships in battle because they were about a third of their size.

I was also surprised by how tiny the Moclan ships were next to the Krill warships. I knew they were behemoths, but the Moclan ships were always shown to be pretty large as well. The Krill warships looked even larger than Romulan Warbirds this time. Not a complaint, I was just surprised to see the tiny little Moclan ships being dwarfed.

I know the Kaylon were not willing to listen to Isaac's earlier report about the Union peoples beyond what they wanted to hear, but there's should have been plenty of recorded examples of people making sacrifices to save others or to ensure peace with an enemy if all it took was just seeing Charlie make a sacrifice for the sake of saving her friends and preserving the peace with the Kaylons. I'm glad they were swayed to reconsider their murderbot ways, but it seemed a little easy because the Union needs an ally to defend against the Moclan/Krill alliance.

Still, another very exciting and suspenseful episode that kept me on the edge of my seat thinking it was going to go a certain way, and then it changed gears on you, in a good way. It was shocking, emotional, dramatic and immensely enjoyable. This has been a great season.
 
Fantastic episode, I honestly just watched it twice back to back. Both times it flew by, I clicked pause at one point to see how far in it was figuring it was about 30 minutes and it was almost to the hour mark! This really felt like a season finale and if cancelled a great series finale, though I hope it's not. I'm both excited there's one more episode but I'm also eager because its going to take an exceptional story to top this for the final episode (this season), but the way this season has developed (and the entire series as a whole) I have complete faith they'll pull it off.
 
Is it just me or did the central detachable spheres of the Kaylon ships suddenly get a lot smaller, like going from frigate-sized to shuttlecraft-sized so one could conveniently dock in the Orville's hangar bay? I could have sworn that the big spheres were much larger than the Union ships and that the detachable central spheres were smaller but still big enough to engage capital ships in battle because they were about a third of their size.

I think it's a smaller variant we've seen before, I just put on "The Road Not Taken" for my rewatch and in the opening scene, a similar craft lands in the snow and three Kaylon emerge just like in "Dominos", the craft seems like it would fit in the landing bay, probably the same type of craft.
 
I think it's a smaller variant we've seen before, I just put on "The Road Not Taken" for my rewatch and in the opening scene, a similar craft lands in the snow and three Kaylon emerge just like in "Dominos", the craft seems like it would fit in the landing bay, probably the same type of craft.
Ahh, thanks. :techman:
 
Locutus of Bored said:

Fucking Ted Danson
I literally said this out loud while watching once I realized what he had done because at first I thought they had captured him.

Suffice to say Ted's heel turn was not on bingo card lol.
:lol: Me too.

Yeah, I never would have guessed that one. The Union's admirals seem so well-adjusted compared to Starfleet's that you don't expect them to go rogue like that.
 
It was a shame about Charlie making the ultimate sacrifice. Her character could be a little one-note (but understandably so) in her initial hatred of Isaac and Kaylons in general, but it was nice that she had started to grow out of that and had come to appreciate Isaac in a more nuanced manner, maybe not as a friend, but as a colleague, and still performed her duties admirably. She was also quite likeable in the times when they allowed her character to branch out beyond "Grrr, I hate Kaylons" and show her true personality.

The fact that fans did grow to like her just shows how effective her character arc was. And her arc made her sacrifice even more powerful.

When she started talking about "thinking four-dimensionally" while setting up the self-destruct, I thought perhaps she might have known some time-travel shenanigans to escape her fate, but no dice.

Right before she dies, she says something like "see you now Amanda". It was likely a poetic way of implying Amanda and Charley would be reunited in the afterlife. But perhaps, we could imagine that Charley did come up with some time travel solution and she actually did time travel back to when Amanda was still alive.

Isaac's eulogy and the analogy about Charlie being like the first domino to fall that will leave a lasting effect for years to come was quite nice and brought a tear to my eye again, like almost every episode of the show this season, which is quite remarkable.

Yeah, it was a great eulogy. And it was so appropriate that it came from Isaac who Charley initially hated but eventually accepted as a colleague. At first, when Isaac was listing Charley's favorite food, I thought we would get some clumsy eulogy kind of like what S1 Data might have done, ie the robot that thinks they have to give a list of every fact about the person. But the eulogy ended up being so poignant. Loved the "domino" reference. I teared up too.
 
Right before she dies, she says something like "see you now Amanda". It was likely a poetic way of implying Amanda and Charley would be reunited in the afterlife. But perhaps, we could imagine that Charley did come up with some time travel solution and she actually did time travel back to when Amanda was still alive.
Oh no, I don't think she actually did survive. She clearly got blown up with the device and the Moclan research facility. I'm just saying earlier when she mentioned "four-dimensional thinking" it was reminiscent of the Borg Queen's response to Picard about surviving Wolf 359 in First Contact, so I thought it might be going that way for a moment. But she is pretty unambiguously dead.
 
While I loved what they did with her character, yeah bringing her back would probably undermine her sacrifice, but on the other hand, we still have that sandwich floating out there :P

Great episode. I think my only complaint this season is that some of the episodes could have been broken up and spaced out, given a chance to breathe. Like the first half where they force the Kaylon into peace. Let that sit for a few episodes before our Admiral goes nuts and steals the device. It's made some of the episodes feel, and I don't want to say rushed, but it makes the episodes feel like there wasn't enough time to let it all sink in before hitting us with the second half.
 
Wow, the CGI-Budget for this one episodes must have been higher then what the complete first season cost. Thas was an insane amount of visuell effects even in this era of high level tv productions. John Debney also went all out on the score. I'm impressed.
 
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