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While I don't disagree with you how you describe Seven's psychological state and journey, however, what makes Seven at the end of Season 2 any more ready for starship command than she was at the end of Picard's first season? I would've rather had her working either in Starfleet, at the Artifact, or Daystrom Institute instead of a Fenris Ranger from the start of PIC. That felt more like something Raffi would've been doing. Also, I feel Raffi is just as ready, perhaps even more ready, for command than Seven, at the end of the second season.

There's supposed to be a time jump between S2 and S3.

Picard chose her because of her Borg tech expertise. Raffi didn't seem too interested in command.

The "correct" people aren't always given power.

Given that Worf has Captain's pips, Seven may well be his XO.

This may furthermore mean that Worf is the one getting the axe this season.

Trek is like the Mafia. You're promoted when the person above you dies (cf., Kirk and Picard).
 
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I love this site, but man sometimes I hate it. There is SO much negativity and pickiness on here about Star Trek. I am 46. I grew up on TNG and DS9. I consider this a golden Era for Trekkies. 5 wonderful shows are currently on. Are any of the shows perfect? No, but they are each better than most shows out there today. Plus I remember as much as I love Trek, it is fiction. It is not real life. So if new shows mess with cannon a little bit? Who cares? If Discovery a little to woke? Who cares? They probably feel they had to make up for the lack of LGBTQ representation during the Berman Era.

No. Lack of substance and writing contrived episodes, including loads and loads and loads of fanwank equate every series is less impactful but more mundane. You have no clue what a golden era is, TNG was the golden era of Star Trek; from merchandizing to selling any property from local stations to cable networks abroad. Now its exclusive to one streaming platform.
There were more Star Trek fans grown strong during TNG era than what is today, and it was because of the care and dedication to create memorable characters and writing good to some compelling storytelling. As for Streaming Trek it is hard to care when the showrunners are creatively bankrupt and maybe its probably better to be ignorant to these shows' obvious flaws and just turn your brain off and simply watch whatever CBS + ALL ACCESS is shoveling. Hey, at least the shiny little lights* are top notch.

*Visual Effects
 
TNG was the golden era of Star Trek
I lived through this supposed golden era. It was also a time of rank division, of fighting and decrying various shows as "non canon." People who liked TOS (myself) were left out and expected to toe the party line of liking TNG.

Merchandising was amazing for sure but the rest was very much a "TNG fans only club," to the exclusion of other fans.
 
No. Lack of substance and writing contrived episodes, including loads and loads and loads of fanwank equate every series is less impactful but more mundane. You have no clue what a golden era is, TNG was the golden era of Star Trek; from merchandizing to selling any property from local stations to cable networks abroad. Now its exclusive to one streaming platform.

For the longest time, TNG was the only new Trek available.

Even IT wore out its welcome after 2005.


There were more Star Trek fans grown strong during TNG era than what is today, and it was because of the care and dedication to create memorable characters and writing good to some compelling storytelling.

That's a matter of opinion.

The TNG era had its share of clunkers too ("Move Along Home", "Threshold", " Sub Rosa", "Code of Honor", "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", etc.)


Not everyone was in love with TNG-era Trek:

TNG: "What's a Frenchman doing with a British accent? There can BE no Trek without Kirk and Spock!"
DS9: "It's too dark! It doesn't go anywhere!"
Voyager: "Janeway's an idiot! Seven sux! Bring back Kes!"
Enterprise: "Kirk and Spock was the first Trek! This is blasphemy!"
 
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That's a matter of opinion. The TNG era had its share of clunkers too ("Move Along Home", "Threshold", " Sub Rosa", etc.)

Those are a few, but would you like me to display the laundry list of clunkers from All Paramount Plus Trek? At least the visuals are golden.
 
Worf is wearing Yellow/Gold in the character posters (the trailer lighting makes it look Red, but the colour matches Geordi who is also wearing yellow/gold in the character posters)

When Terry says he isn't a captain, I'm guessing he means he isn't captaining a starship.

Scotty held the rank of Captain in the late TOS movies/TNG but he never commanded a ship
 
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Those are a few, but would you like me to display the laundry list of clunkers from All Paramount Plus Trek? At least the visuals are golden.

What are they? Would you care to enlighten us?

What's sunk to the depths of "Threshold"? (Janeway and Tom evolve into salamanders after hitting Warp 10.)
 
Those are a few, but would you like me to display the laundry list of clunkers from All Paramount Plus Trek? At least the visuals are golden.
You are welcome to your opinion on it, I take some of your points re: viewership and reach (although that seems to be the case for all shows that they have lower levels) and I will defend your right to express then, but it is not cricket to denigrate the people who do like the new shows implying that they are all sizzle and no substance.

If you don't like it then it is a shame, and yes the Berman era was epic in scope but I personally love the humour of the have nots in Lower Decks, the delving into Picard's history, the charm of Pike, and the hell Burnham has gone through and have bought in to these stories.

It's a highly subjective topic so we can, in a way, all be right.
 
Not everyone was in love with TNG-era Trek:
Or just the characters were not enjoyable. That was me. And people repeatedly stating Picard was better, or Sisko was better. It was a constant competitive rat race that served no purpose.
 
Worf is wearing Yellow/Gold in the character posters (the trailer lighting makes it look Red, but the colour matches Geordi who is also wearing yellow/gold in the character posters)

When Terry says he isn't a captain, I'm guessing he means he isn't captaining a starship.

Worf wore red in TNG S1.

How much of what we're seeing are red herrings? (Especially if he commands Enterprise in the novelverse.)

Why would an Ambassador go back to ops? (Albeit as a Captain?)

Or just the characters were not enjoyable. That was me. And people repeatedly stating Picard was better, or Sisko was better. It was a constant competitive rat race that served no purpose.

That was me too.

I've always found Picard bloviating (I watch Picard the show for Seven of Nine).
 
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You are welcome to your opinion on it, I take some of your points re: viewership and reach (although that seems to be the case for all shows that they have lower levels) and I will defend your right to express then, but it is not cricket to denigrate the people who do like the new shows implying that they are all sizzle and no substance.

If you don't like it then it is a shame, and yes the Berman era was epic in scope but I personally love the humour of the have nots in Lower Decks, the delving into Picard's history, the charm of Pike, and the hell Burnham has gone through and have bought in to these stories.

It's a highly subjective topic so we can, in a way, all be right.
Very true, but there's a sense of frustration in some fans who can't stand there's hard critique from another spectrum. If they can't stand those critiques, don't read them. If you like these Streaming Trek things, then what does it matter???

What are they? Would you care to enlighten us?

What's sunk to the depths of "Threshold"? (Janeway and Tom evolve into salamanders after hitting Warp 10.)
LOL!!!

Ugh! You went there...

I thought all of these new Trek series have a lack substance and it some how for some reason equate to "The Big Picture" a manufactured form of plotting which doesn't resonate well. But it is, what it is, at least we have Raffi and Seven, right?
 
Very true, but there's a sense of frustration in some fans who can't stand there's hard critique from another spectrum. If they can't stand those critiques, don't read them. If you like these Streaming Trek things, then what does it matter???
I get what you mean and I am all for hard and passionate critique but I felt the stuff about how VFX makes it all ok and creatively bankrupt was unfair and maybe a bit pointed.

I'll happily debate the merits or otherwise of these series until we are blue in the face but I find those a bit broad stroke and like they were at the poster.

If I've inferred incorrectly I do apologise as I have no beef with you personally (maybe I shouldn't have waded in) but in a thread of excitement over the new trailer it seemed like it was a buzzkill when there are threads for thorough critique on the board
 
Huh. I was certain Worf was wearing yellow and then I convinced myself he was wearing red when I zoomed in. Wonder if we've got a white gold/black and blue dress situation on our hands? Probably not but sure it'll give us something to speculate on until S3 releases ;)
 
I get what you mean and I am all for hard and passionate critique but I felt the stuff about how VFX makes it all ok and creatively bankrupt was unfair and maybe a bit pointed.

I'll happily debate the merits or otherwise of these series until we are blue in the face but I find those a bit broad stroke and like they were at the poster.

If I've inferred incorrectly I do apologise as I have no beef with you personally (maybe I shouldn't have waded in) but in a thread of excitement over the new trailer it seemed like it was a buzzkill when there are threads for thorough critique on the board
Oh, you saw what I responded to and haven't read my other posts. Surf the start of the thread they're optimistic and I am looking forward to Picard season 3, I thought seasons 1 and 2 were fine.
 
Oh, you saw what I responded to and haven't read my other posts. Surf the start of the thread they're optimistic and I am looking forward to Picard season 3, I thought seasons 1 and 2 were fine.

Ah sorry mate - I probably have but didn't clock username so I do rescind that. My bad man
 
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just turn your brain off and simply watch whatever CBS + ALL ACCESS is shoveling. Hey, at least the shiny little lights* are top notch.

*Visual Effects

At least the visuals are golden.

But it is, what it is, at least we have Raffi and Seven, right?

What a ray of passive aggressive sunshine you are. I've never been less compelled to interact with an other fan, but I'll make an exception this one time.

TNG was my entry to Star Trek and the series and some of the characters will always have a special place in my heart. Not the least because it all played an important part in the formation of my identity growing up, when I had little else to look up to in my life. And the series is part of my comfort food palette to this day.

But let's not be kidding ourselves: When we think of the best TNG had to offer, it's comprised of maybe 20% of all episodes / scenes. At best. The rest suffers (sometimes greatly!) in quality due to, among others, cringy dialogue; even for the time tone deaf handling of certain societal topics; derivative stories; predictable, repetitive plots; one dimensional characters with only few exceptions; uninspired and very tame sci-fi concepts...

It especially hurts to admit how boring a chunk of TNG era is, including DS9 and VOY, which I love almost as much as TNG. In my opinion at least, episodes like "Move Along Home", "Sub Rosa" and "Threshold" are actually some of the more engaging and interesting, more entertaining examples.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
 
Worf looks quite distinguished with the stark white hair. It doesn't matter if he looks like AGT Worf or not, since that "future" was a Q-manufactured fantasy scenario that also had the Enterprise D still in service with three nacelles. Just like how AGT "past" Worf had S7 makeup instead of the proper S1 look. That was also a Q construct.

Kor
 
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